On Saturday 22 January 2011 11:06:42 Helen wrote:
You're not expelling someone from school, or sacking them from their job.
It's simply 'you keep behaving like an ass, and we're fed up with it. Go find someone else to play with.'
Why create a bureaucratic nightmare?
When people start obsessing about the letter of the law, instead of the spirit, you end up with dogma.
True. On the other hand, as the huge discussion about this action has shown, people are concerned with the openness of openSUSE. And that's something I see as a positive thing. See the discussion about a closed mailinglist for members. So, as the Foundation ml is public, join it if you have thoughts about this. Surely we first have to get some basics done but at some point we can move on to things like this. Should there be a force in openSUSE which can kick out poisonous contributors? What rules are needed for that force to follow? What kind of oversight do we have to set up? How public does it need to be? Should there be a closed mailinglist for members only? Should we require the members to not disclose anything on that list? How do we enforce that? What should be discussed there and what should be public? Again, if you want to discuss the points above, patience - we'll get there. Believe me, I have opinions on the questions above and I imho we need to make decisions on that before we finish the work on the Foundation. It's part of openSUSE growing up. And there is a place where we should discuss them - the foundation ML :D
regards,
Helen
are the guiding principles really good/clear enough to form the base of someone being expelled? To me, they're guidance only and nowhere near clear enough to form the base of any kind of punitive action.