On 09/16/2010 12:16 PM, Stephen Shaw wrote:
I almost feel like its a slap in the face the way you degrade the suse engineers' efforts. The out right claim that we are only in it for the money. Especially when you having said it yourself haven't contributed anything. Please don't feel insulted. I have written nothing to degrade your efforts, unless you find candid discussions of product shortcomings degrading. I have not said anything about anyone's motives other than my own. I have only asked the question: what happens to OpenSUSE if current paid resources are removed? It could be rephrased: who will pay your salary if Novell does not? These are questions, not statements.
I can appreciate that these sorts of questions may be uncomfortable. But if the "strategy" wants to attract more contributors, can such questions go unasked? The alignment of corporate/community interests embodied by projects such as OpenSUSE, Fedora, Open Solaris, and others presents unique risks and rewards to both the community and corporate sponsor.
For someone that hasn't stepped up to help, you are sure talking big... Are you planning on running mail servers, forums, wikis, blogs, build service, etc. The infrastructure is huge and definitely expensive if you think about just the man hours, bandwidth, hardware, and facilities. "talking big" ... maybe ... I am well aware of the infrastructure required to maintain large software development efforts ... hence the nature of my questions ... what is OpenSUSE less Novell? As an individual interested is supporting free software, is it arrogant to want to know that OpenSUSE - NOVELL > 0. ... perhaps!
So, in the end why don't you pick a project and contribute other than making unfounded accusations and complaints. I certainly don't like to be told that I'm doing this for the money or that my contributions were worthless before I joined Novell. I'm sure the others that spent countless hours feel the same.
I'm not making unfounded "accusations and complaints." I have made some technical criticisms of OpenSUSE, all well founded, most of it documented in Bugzilla. I have advocated making "restricted" format handling easier as means of improving the appeal of the product. I have made some general statements about decline in product quality, which I can certainly stand behind with specific examples.
Accessibility, gnome, kde, bug triaging, package maintaining, documentation, wiki reviews/updates, forum questions to be answered, fate features reviewed, new projects tested, 11.4 testing, All areas in which I have relevant experience and/or expertise ... well maybe not kde ... I just don't like kde ... but that's my own little neurosis ... probably not Accessibility either ... :D
But MOST IMPORTANT ... PLEASE DO NOT BE INSULTED ... nothing I write here is personal toward anyone. I don't even know you Stephen, how can I insult you? I'm just one OpenSUSE user writing some ideas in some emails ... hopefully there will be one or two you like ... maybe not .... but please don't take anything I write personally! Enjoy! cwight -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org