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[opensuse-project] Strategy discussion @ forums (was: openSUSE Strategy Discussion: another proposal)
  • From: Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:05:03 +0200
  • Message-id: <201006220205.08300.pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Monday 21 June 2010 17:54:42 DenverD wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
if alternatives are submitted in the forum thread will they be
considered here?

Not unless people follow both. Personally, I don't.

i hereby submit the alternative proposals and (some) comments of the
last days to the members of the mail list, in the form of links:

17-Jun-2010, 07:09 http://tinyurl.com/3a9y9qq
17-Jun-2010, 09:16 http://tinyurl.com/2ugcvz7
17-Jun-2010, 11:34 http://tinyurl.com/34e6g8y
19-Jun-2010, 09:50 http://tinyurl.com/3ybbhho
19-Jun-2010, 10:46 http://tinyurl.com/38qcbqu
20-Jun-2010, 12:14 http://tinyurl.com/38jutrw
21-Jun-2010, 01:28 http://tinyurl.com/35hfnd8

or, would the group here rather they be copy/pasted ?

Right after the first of those links, I see lots of topics being discussed,
lots of accusations, lots of whining, lots of blaming, but not really much of
a strategy discussion.

You're confusing community with members, developers with contributors, board
with novell, and everything else. It's almost like a conspiracy theory.

Seriously, I don't even know where to start replying on the forum to correct
those things, and false assumptions, and allegations of bad intentions.

Ironically, someone stated that we (the "rest", .. the enemy ?) don't care
about the opinion of the people who participate in the forums (right, which is
why we're asking), it's developers vs users (right, which is why we're
asking), and Novell is having a strong "grip" on the board (seems you haven't
followed much of what has been going on lately.. say.. in the last 2 years ?).

So, what should we do ?
If every thread about the strategy discussion on the forums morphs into a
hate-of-everyone-else-because-they're-not-on-the-forums on the 3rd post
instead of trying to stay focused and on topic, what's the point ?

Again, what should we do ?

I'll read the other threads, hoping that they're a bit more on topic.
And I'd even happily take position on each of those attacks, if someone
manages to make a civil and focused discussion out of it.

Mind you, I didn't even reply on the forum thread itself, because it's firing
into every direction with more half-truths and complete-wrongs being spread
with every single post. I believe it would be pointless as it would end up
into an endless discussion about everything and the kitchen sink.

Any idea on how to approach that serious issue ?

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-o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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