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Re: [opensuse-project] independence
  • From: "Bryen M. Yunashko" <suserocks@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:41:18 -0500
  • Message-id: <1276004478.4515.9042.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 13:20 +0000, Trifle Menot wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:32:32 +0200, Andreas Jaeger <aj@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Novell is a public traded company and it received an unfriendly offer for
out that was rejected. Let's not speculate what will or could happen but
instead look where we want openSUSE to go.

* Own bugzilla:
Does it make sense to have a separate bugzilla that we need to administrate
part of the project? For me right now the benefits of using the Novell
bugzilla outweight the limitations we have. My main concerns with moving
bugzillas are:
- engineers will hate to have to look into another bugzilla. So, Novell
engineers will look first for enterprise bugs into the Novell ones and then
later into the openSUSE one.

Yes that's a downside. But having opensuse bugzilla relying on Novell's
login infrastructure is an impediment to independence. When Novell
"goes away" you have a new problem to cope with. I think that's only a
matter of time.

You're assuming that when Novell gets bought, its present state will go
away. We have no idea of this as we don't even know who will buy
Novell. This is just pure wild speculation and the last thing we need
right now.

What do you understand with full independence?

Like debian. They rely on corporate donations to provide their mirror
and download infrastructure.

IMO "independend from Novell" is the wrong question. I'd like to see Novell
as main sponsor (it hosts lots more than bugzilla in our datacenter, nearly
the whole infrastructure) and treated as such - but not as
dictator that everybody bows in front of and gets scared by it.

It does not worry me that corporate might act like a dictator. But I
believe it's only a matter of time before Novell "goes away" and morphs
into something else. Best to plan for that now and anticipate how to
keep opensuse alive.

I've heard the "goes away" line so many times in the last 10 years that
I've learned to just phase it out of my mind.

Under the present arrangement, opensuse is like a fetus. If the mother
dies, the baby dies with it. opensuse needs to be born and get its own

Where have you been lately? The Community already has significant
influence on the Project as it stands. It was the community that
requested an extension of KDE 3.5 and got it. It was the community that
took over the leads on various projects within the openSUSE Community.
Novell has invested heavily in building community independence with its
Booster team. KDE and GNOME are now largely packaged by community
members. The openSUSE Board is an elected body of the Community, and
has added an additional seat to reduce Novell's power on the board.
Teams are being led by openSUSE community members.

When I work, I often remind myself of what fellow board member Henne
Vogelsang mentioned at last year's openSUSE Conference. "Novell wants
the community to claim openSUSE." And Henne constantly reminds the
community that if you want something done, JUST DO IT!

We can go on and on and on about independence and Novell's powerful hold
(which I don't believe is true), but the most important question
remains: If Novell and openSUSE broke off ties today, what would we do?
Have we done enough to step up as a Community to manage and influence
openSUSE? Are we prepared for the kind of independence you're

You say its time for openSUSE to not be a fetus and be born. I say its
time for us to move into adolescence. We were already born a few years

Bryen M Yunashko
openSUSE Board Member

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