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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: Draft of Desktop Policy
  • From: Matt Gray <mjg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:40:41 +0100
  • Message-id: <4A7BF699.8050708@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Christian Jäger wrote:
Sadly it becomes more and more clear that the whole argumentation in
favor of a KDE-default is just a pretext for a powerstruggle.

KDE-proponents keep contradicting themselves:The original argument is
that they don't want to confuse poor new users by 'too much choice' on
the issue of a desktop environment. But whenever it comes down to WHICH
desktop environment should be defaulted in order to take this
'confusing' choice away from novice users, they speak in favor of the
_more_confusing_ and less newbie-friendly desktop, on the base that the
existing userbase prefers KDE - or at least that those users who do
shout louder than those who use GNOME ('more vocal part of the

Now, to set some logic straight:
- If this really was about making things simpler for _new_ users, the
default desktop should be GNOME, not KDE.
- In actuality, this choice is not something that you can make for the
user: that choice is comparable to the choice between Windows and Mac
OS. You DON'T make that choice FOR the user.
- If this is about a majority of the userbase demanding special
treatment for _their_ desktop of choice come on out and say so openly,
but don't use a transparent pretext, pretending this was all for the
good of the project.

BTW, I haven't seen any mention of this before: How do KDE-proponents
feel about the KDE Live-CD actually being the DEFAULT choice for
download at Not discriminated there, are you?

I find this all extremely disheartening. Seems to me the motivation
behind this devisive undertaking it a grudge that some of the original
KDE-SuSE userbase have been bearing eversince Novell bought SuSE and
brought in Ximian's GNOME-devs. Now this digruntled older part of the
SUSE-community are trying to 'get back' against Novell.

Anyway, it is hard to retain a feeling of 'community' with KDE users who
are bullying GNOME users in such a way. But those KDE-users who seem to
be venting a grudge here don't seem to have much regard for that
community which is bigger than the KDE-part of openSUSE.

That is ridiculous, the opensuse KDE desktop is no easier and no harder
to learn and operate than the opensuse Gnome desktop.

If i were to take uop your divisive line are arument I would counter by
insinuating that KDE should be chosen because it is the technically more
proficient of the two, which is exactly what you are arguing in reverse.

I don't believe that.
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