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Re: [opensuse-project] openFATE feature 306967, KDE default
  • From: alpha096@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:47:21 +1000
  • Message-id: <4A751A59.4060507@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Perhaps this may be a constructive way to help the user. I have posed
high to possibly start on a real change to help
all users when in come to the actual Installation of our product(s)??!!
I would normally add it to the Feature in Fate, buy every time I try to
save a new change to the feature I just get a
"Status: 500 Internal Server Error Content-Type: text/html
500 Internal Server Error"
which I have notified to netadmin

Michael Loeffler wrote:

There are pretty many pros and cons and even more people with their

about the feature [1]I'd like to summarize what has been said in the

discussion in the feature itself and during this week's openSUSE project

meeting. Unfortunately the only sure thing is whatever decision is
taken - it

will be wrong for some. This is why, at this time, we have no default -

because openSUSE has strong GNOME and KDE implementations, we offer them

side-by-side as equals. And we made 2 years ago on opensuse-project the

decision that we stay with "no default" desktop.

So what do we have so far?

- a feature request [1] from one of the KDE e.V. board members

- the feature asks to make KDE default. Reason for that, is to make

more simple for newbies and to make openSUSE the best KDE distribution

- Through the discussion in the feature I'd translate that feature
into put

the radio button as default to KDE on the desktop selection screen during

installation instead of today's status where everybody needs to make a


- the highest rated feature in openFATE [2] until today

- a majority of people supporting this feature (currently approx. 90%
pro, 1%

neutral, 9% against)

What I clearly see as pro is:

- listening to our KDE community we may gain more KDE contributors.
But don't

forget this feature is also about making openSUSE an outstanding KDE

distribution. And for that just voting for a feature is not enough. For

becoming an outstanding KDE distribution we need you to contribute

- we simplify the installation by one click for 2/3 of our users,
according to

question no. 11 in our last openSUSE survey [3] made in 11.0 time frame

- the GNOME users keep status quo and need to set the radio button as

What I clearly see as con is:

- our pretty active GNOME community won't be very happy about it

- our strength is to support choice and two major desktops

- with the CD you always get a default desktop

What might stay doubtful?

- Would changing a radio button really drive lots of users and
contributors to


- Would already KDE as a default make us to an outstanding KDE

- Does openSUSE need a default desktop?

What I suggest?

Due to upcoming feature freeze for openSUSE 11.2 we have only the

to default the radio button to KDE. But this is IMO more a diplomatic

which doesn't help much anybody. We should give the feature one or two

weeks to evolve and need to do the decision for openSUSE 11.2 by mid of


Some other observations I have with respect about this feature:

- inviting people through blogs, web pages, mailing lists or twitter
to vote

has potential to set the credibility of the voting system at risk as

not involved with openSUSE or not using openSUSE express their thoughts

- the feature shows the success of opening up the openSUSE project.
Few years

ago decisions were made by Novell and nowadays decisions are
challenged by our


- I'm pretty happy about the way the discussion is handled (impartial, no

bashing etc.)

May wisdom be with us - and may we get in openSUSE the best GNOME and
the best

KDE desktops!







Michael Löffler, Product Management

SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF:
Markus Rex

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