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Re: [opensuse-project] Why is this Ubuntu?
  • From: Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:10:13 +0100
  • Message-id: <200903151410.13775.martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx>
Lørdag 14 marts 2009 15:23:44 skrev Gerald Pfeifer:
Just, can we get over the 10.1 mistake and move forward?

I'll get over it when/if a decent openSUSE x.1 is ever released >:-)

For me 11.1 reopened the scars. From my point of view 11.1 was sacrificed on
the altar of SLE pretty much like 10.1 was.

It was different in the way that 10.1 was rather good apart from a single
central non-working component, whereas 11.1 was more a case of death by a
thousand bugs.

The development process was a complete mess with zero respect for feature
freeze or string freeze (being a translator gives you a pretty good idea of
what's going on development wise). Instead of fixing bugs developers were busy
developing features for SLE after openSUSE feature freeze. I believe more new
features were in 11.1 than usual, despite 11.1 being a shorter release cycle
than usual - and the effects of that messy process on quality were of course
quite predictable - 11.1 was released with a heep of bugs - including major
ones like non-working cd-burning, compiz, kbluetooth, amarok2...

I installed 10.1 on the release day, installing Smart and disabling zmd was
all that was required to make it very nice. 11.1 I didn't install until just
the other day, when I figured it had prolly been patched to a respectable
level after a few months. Maybe now, a few months after the release I'll even
start recommending 11.1 to some people.

Investing a lot of spare time translating, testing, doing artwork and writing
documentation for a broken release that you don't even want to use yourself,
let alone recommend to anyone else, is really painful - especially when it
happens for the second time.

I started researching and testing other distros when it became clear that 11.1
would be really poor. That's a big decision for someone to make after years of
openSUSE contribution and zealotry. However, for now I've found that the other
distros are at least equally flawed.

This discussion started when someone said that openSUSE is what we make of it,
but both 10.1 and 11.1 show that at least every 4th openSUSE release (the
x.1s) are very much so at the mercy of structures, planning and decisions made
by some invisible hand that I usally refer to as "Novell". I think it's
difficult to grow when every 4th release automatically sucks.
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