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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Membership: a general comment
  • From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:05:58 +0100
  • Message-id: <ho8x1rr93t.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Thomas Hertweck <Thomas.Hertweck@xxxxxx> writes:

It's fairly obvious that, say, a Novell employee who's being paid to
work on openSUSE for 8h a day can contribute a lot more in terms of
absolute value (for instance, number of RPM packages maintained) to the
project. It's maybe also not really surprising that a student with lots
of spare time (No offence! I've also studied at a university and I know
it can be hard work) can maintain/change/create more Wiki pages than
others, i.e. his contribution in absolute terms is easily measurable.
However, if somebody has a 70h week at work (non Linux-related) but
nevertheless is willing and able to spend 4h over the weekend on
spreading the word, helping friends with openSUSE, maybe contributing a
few good emails on a openSUSE mailing list, I think this contribution to
the project is just as valuable and maybe even more impressive in
relative terms - you are of course right that the absolute contribution
in those 4h over the weekend might only be minor.

What I'd like to see is regular contribution - and not 4 hours and then
disappearing for three years.

For me, the membership approach you took disregards these very valuable
contributions of many people at the base of the openSUSE community.
According to your criteria of absolute values of contribution, those
people in principle aren't considered as members. That's what I don't
like, and that's the reason why I feel that the current approach sets a
wrong sign.

Is the above really the problem for you?

I appreciate your work and that the board comes up with ideas.
Unfortunately, and that might have been caused by emails from board
members on this list, there seem to be a problem in communicating your
ideas. When a board member proposes a code of conduct which leads to a
diverse discussion with pros and cons, and one week later without having
a clear conclusion the code is published as adopted, then it doesn't
sound as if the board listened to the community. I can see the same

Please reread the discussion again - we're back at the drawing board for
the code of conduct. There's now a new proposal out.

I do agree that we screwed up with the Code of Conduct discussion.

problem now here in the membership discussion. I am sorry if I
misunderstand your ideas. I don't think I am against a membership per
se, and I am certainly not considering it as evil, but as mentioned
above it seems as if my criteria for "member" differ significantly from
the board's criteria, and that's why I am not in favour of it at the moment.

Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@xxxxxxx
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
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