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[opensuse-packaging] problematic new path naming structure
  • From: "Jurzitza, Dieter" <DJurzitza@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:47:02 +0100
  • Message-id: <DA6197CAE190A847B662079EF7631C0604749E10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Dear Robert,
dear listmembers,
> > Call the directory /lib/modules/persistent from the very
> begin. Maybe
> > one would like to use persistent-default / persistent-bigsmp.
> This does not work because it does not allow installation of
> multiple kernels with different ABIs.
well, how would this work right now? The packages provided binary are provided for one single kernel, probably for default / bigsmp, that's about it.

The question is: why make the majority of people using a single kernel configuration suffer from a somewhat exotic concept of people using different kernels in parallel (rumor on the list ;-))?

In my understanding the SuSE concept is straightforward and monolithic to a certain point: you get a kernel with the distribution, you use it, you may upgrade "in line", but just try to upgrade from i.e. 2.6.11 to 2.6.13, a decent part of things like the automount functionality (among other discrepancies) is gone because things do not match any more.

If you want to do what you suggest you will have to rebuild all the kernel module extra packages from scratch for the new kernel anyway, no improvement here. The current concept does not work for this either.

I can only support what Herbert Graeber said. But as initially stated, these are just my 2 cents here :-). We won't solve the issue here.

Take care




Dr.-Ing. Dieter Jurzitza
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Robert Schiele [mailto:rschiele@xxxxxxxxx]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. März 2007 15:44
> An: Jurzitza, Dieter
> Cc: opensuse-packaging@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Betreff: Re: [opensuse-packaging] problematic new path naming
> structure
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:03:48PM +0100, Jurzitza, Dieter wrote:
> > Though I agree that the naming I coose is probably not optimal as
> > these modules are not "persistent" by themselfes, the
> persistence will
> > last as long as the ABI compatibility will last. But this in turn
> > gives persistence and therefore I still think to use
> "persistence" in
> > the name is not the worst choice in this regard.
> This is not about the name of the directory but about whether
> it does work or not.
> > Therefore I do not agree entirely with Roberts arguments. These
> > modules belong to in the same way as they belong
> to
> > or any other 2.6.X kernel that keeps this part of the ABI constant.
> > From what I have learned they are not initially related to
> I don't think that it is important whether you agree with me
> or not as long as you propose to replace a system that works
> with another system that does not work.
> > IMHO it is only bad to refer to names of components that
> are not used
> > any more in your system (what is true in the very moment you do
> > upgrade now). Spoken from experience I can hardly remember a SUSE
> > distribution that did not upgrade the kernel at some point
> in time. So
> > I'd say this is something that should be expected.
> >
> > In a "generic" sense it would be best to start with soft-linked
> > modules from the very begin of a distribution, what is in
> tune with my
> > statement.
> >
> > And one could remove the reference to the individual kernel
> entirely:
> > Call the directory /lib/modules/persistent from the very
> begin. Maybe
> > one would like to use persistent-default / persistent-bigsmp.
> This does not work because it does not allow installation of
> multiple kernels with different ABIs.
> Robert
> --
> Robert Schiele
> Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@xxxxxxxxx
> "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

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