On Tuesday 24 May 2011 10:20:05 Klaas Freitag wrote:
Hi,
Am Dienstag 24 Mai 2011, 00:09:32 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
The current workflow seriously needs to be fixed.
true or not, not really on-topic here, we (as in the marketing team) won't be fixing it ;-)
PS feel free to kick adrian in the balls if you have issues, but if you take that litterally I recommend you kick hard to make sure he can't come after you ;-)
In this case it will be me and others coming after you, believe me.
sweet :D
Is that btw the kind of speach and behaviour you're appreciating here in the marketing group, smiley or not?
Ok, it is a joke, maybe a weird one... Appologies, I'll try and better my life & watch my language.
Serious, workflow things need fixing indeed, but what he needs is CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS. Not of the type "fix it" or even "this and this doesn't make sense" but "this works like this now. It makes more sense if it would work like this. See a mock up I made".
Very true. As being a developer I can tell you that people stepping up with the message "Your software would be great if feature ABC would be there and I can tell you how to do it but will not do it!" are more demotivating to fix something than you would expect.
The coding doesn't take much time
Nice dreams of marketing ;-)
Well, I'm exaggerating, I know the coding takes serious time...
- it is the thinking about what the best solution is that takes a lot of time. And that exactly is what people could help with if they were willing to put in a little more thought.
Hmm, I disagree, sorry to contradict. Better do what the FOSS world moves forever: Write patches, either on code or marketing material, does not matter. Convert ideas to code or texts or artwork, whatever, but do not post them purely on MLs hoping that others will pick up. People who really do things usually have enough ideas of what they want to do. They never wait for others posting an idea to make them doing something.
Of course. But notice most ppl here really are no coders :D From most devs I talk to I often hear that thinking about workflow, about UI, can take a lot of time. Especially if you want to get it really right, and Adrian is a perfectionist as I've heard... So a concrete suggestion for a workflow improvement is very valuable esp compared to a vague "make it more logical" kind of statement... Especially considering what might be logical to a developer is not to a packager or an user :D
regards,
Klaas