I'm talking serious, I'm not judging, but I'm really worried because we have a lot of work to do with openSUSE Project and you still wasting your time discussing your opinions. To me, it is much more important to be in a movement that has aim. Popularizing OpenSUSE as a mere product can not be an aim with sociological aspect. We have to set our goals right before we create a bigger community or else the community will be aimless. What shall we answer to a future ambassador if he/she asks that "if as per guiding
What do you think about we participate more, promote more, develop more... and really, if you want to call XuniL/UNG ou GNU/Linux I don't care. I think a quote by stallman to a similar question would be enough to answer such carelessness : "This would be wise advice, if only the situation were like that—if
@Gabriel principles it is stated that we must support the philosophy of free software above anything then why were not you guys careful enough to show it in the very beginning of the movement? Why all the pages on wiki are talking about "Linux" (a kernel only) and is making GNU and FSF irrelevant as the consequence of that? Why on all events you guys have called it "Linux" and made general people understand contribution of Linux kernel is much more than GNU system? Why we promote a now non-free software (i.e. Linux Kernel) being supporters of Free Software Movement?" Also the opinions are not only mine but of the larger Free Software Community and people like stallman for whom today it is possible for us to discuss on a variant of an operating system that stood against the non-free world of software. the job were done and it were time to relax. If only that were true! But challenges abound, and this is no time to take the future for granted. Our community's strength rests on commitment to freedom and cooperation. Using the name GNU/Linux is a way for people to remind themselves and inform others of these goals." Now pls dont ask me about Stallman's contributions to OpenSUSE! :)
Common, we have a lot of work to do, please enjoy us! You have a very nice speak, I'm wondering if you could call more and more people to the Project, its really important to openSUSE! My efforts will always be for the benefit of Free Software Movement. If promoting a product means promoting the philosophy of FSM , I am always there for it. Bringing people and forming a community is not a hard job (because we always have a Free Software Community and any FSC will provide support to OpenSUSE if OpenSUSE decides to support FSM) but being answerable for your actions to the people you bring in is a much more tough job. Being a responsible person of FSC I can not recommend OpenSUSE from my heart until I am sure how much OpenSUSE community cares about FSM.
I do agree with Gabriel that we cannot let ourselves get dragged down by such details. Perfecting words when there's much to be done overall in the project does slow us down, take us off focus, and detracts from the work that hundreds of contributors and members of openSUSE have put into the project. I dont think it will yield that much loss of momentum. Wiki admins only need to change the main protected pages and others (if not anyone else I along with my Free Software Friends are enough) need to bring
You continuously use the word Freedom and yet you continually and strongly put down others who disagree with you. It seems to be an anathema to the very words you have preached when opposing views aren't given the chance to exercise the very freedom you espouse. Freedom of speech/thought does not mean it can not be questioned. Listener has the right (or freedom) to correct, question and counter
@Bryen the changes to other wiki pages related to community. It should be clearly stated in the protected pages that OpenSUSE is a GNU/Linux and a link associated with it to http://gnu.org or an internal link stating the principles of Free Software Movement. The usage of the term should be given a place in guiding principles to give a more clear view of our boldness in supporting FSM. We just need to show some spine in supporting FSM. That's it! thoughts expressed by the speaker. @ Rajko
The name Linux is nowadays established, as above, not by Linux insiders, long term users. but by outside world that needs some simple name for a whole system, and changing that is impossible. Just as it is impossible to change new not so favorable meaning of word hacker, use word frames instead of word windows and many other things.
and @Martin
As for the community in general, we can't control the terminology people use - we just have to accept that there's competing terminology - and hopefully in the end we'll prevail :-)
Quote by RMS : <quote>"People justify adding non-free software in the name of the “popularity of Linux”—in effect, valuing popularity above freedom....Caldera's CEO openly urged users to drop the goal of freedom and work instead for the “popularity of Linux”. Adding non-free software to the GNU/Linux system may increase the popularity, if by popularity we mean the number of people using some of GNU/Linux in combination with non-free software. But at the same time, it implicitly encourages the community to accept non-free software as a good thing, and forget the goal of freedom. It is no use driving faster if you can't stay on the road."</quote> Similarly if we think saying Linux may make us much more in ease with general people unaware of FSM then we are just ignoring the fact that we are running away from our duty to walk that extra mile to correct them. In such a case how much popularity we gain will be ultimately out of the track and will not be beneficial for the future. Also, if RMS had thought it was impossible for him to beat proprietary giants in the '80s and had taken a back seat by working for proprietary companies, we would have been left today in a world without competition and freedom (and nothing like OpenSUSE). Ambassadors should work not only to promote a particular product but a philosophy too that made such things possible. A line in http://passion4freedom.org/concept might be just appropriate to mention here : "The fight might be tough, but we must fight. The changes are not easy to make, but change must come." - ADM P.S. Thanks Bryen for your nice reply and analysis. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org