Am Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2013, 09:27:29 schrieb Michal Marek:
Dne 11.12.2013 00:25, Adrian Schröter napsal(a):
Am Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2013, 21:47:27 schrieb Michal Marek:
For me and I guess most other developers on this list, it is actually an advantage that the kernel does not need itself to build.
it won't be different as like updating to a broken glibc.
Yes, and that precisely is the problem - we do not want to deal with the bootstrap issues that the toolchain guys have to. For you, it's probably not such a big difference if one more package becomes part of the bootstrap set, but for us, being or not being in the bootstrap set matters.
well, since we are forced to use the distro kernel for package builds now you have also little choice. This is just going to happen to be able to load kernel modules, which are required meanwhile by some tools. The discussion where to place the OBS vm kernel spec file will not change that. It will just become even harder for you and everybody else get out of the kernel-not-booting situation again :(
We would notice before it got merged into mainline. Otherwise our users would be the first who notice that the kernel is not booting.
I actually plan to boot test each kernel pushed to the git, before actual users see it. But failure to boot will not affect subsequent attempts to build a fixed package. Hardware for that is ordered, it will not cover ppc64(le|be) though, only x86_64 (unless there is already usable qemu emulation for ppc64le?)
and how will eg a broken tool chain be detected or a broken mkinitrd? And how would this become visible to the other packagers and release managers? IMHO the test driven approach should really test the entire kernel eco system in a transparent. Having additional tests outside of OBS is fine, but it is unlikely that further people except you can use it when deciding to take kernel relevant changes or to work on own versions. -- Adrian Schroeter email: adrian@suse.de SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org