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[openFATE 308373] Packman Automatic Setup
Feature changed by: Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy)
Feature #308373, revision 22
Title: Packman Automatic Setup

Hackweek V: Rejected by Rémy Marquis (spyhawk)
reject reason: Hw V is done.
Requester: Important

openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Rémy Marquis (spyhawk)
reject reason: 11.3 is already out.
Requester: Important

- openSUSE-11.4: New
+ openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy)
+ reject reason: Not done in time for openSUSE 11.4.
Requester: Mandatory

+ openSUSE Distribution: Rejected by Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy)
+ reject reason: I believe this is legally dubious if the user does not
+ explicitly opt-in into using it.
+ Priority
+ Requester: Desirable

Requested by: Zachary Klein (zak89)
Partner organization:

Automate the enablement of the Packman repository (and installation
common codecs) as part of the first system update (similar to "pullin-
msfonts"), either by using a "pullin" pseudo-package or by simpling
auto-enabling the repo in Yast.

Business case (Partner benefit): It appears that openSUSE's "multimedia experience" is
very dependant on the third-party Packman repository. While it's great
that we have excellent repository management, and enabling third party
repos is a breeze, I think it is still less than obvious to new users;
even those with prior Linux experience but who are new to openSUSE. Not
being able to play your music or video collections is a pretty glaring
deficiency for a new user.
My suggestion is reasonably simple (I think). Since adding the Packman
repo and installing common codecs is the first thing most desktop users
will want to do (or need to do but not know it), why not add it as part
of the first system update (similar to the "pullin flash
player/msfonts" packages).Either have the system "install" a package
that adds the repo for the user (and pulls in common codecs), or have
Yast enable the repo itself (it's already got the url information, as
you can see in the "Community Repositories" dialog).
I don't know what legal issues the last option might cause, but the
first one (installing a "pseudo package") is already being used for the
flash player and msfonts; couldn't we do something similar? The user
could always opt out of it by unchecking the "pullin-packman" patch
when updateing.
If this feature could be added, then the first system update the user
performs (and most users I think will not be put off by the idea of an
OS update) will take care one of the biggest newbie complaints about
Linux ("I can't play my mp3s!"). I don't know what hurdles this may
pose, but it seems relatively straightforward to me.
I should note that I am aware of the One-Click
Install that would take care of this same problem. However, my concern
is that even this is not obvious to the new (or even not-so-new) user.
I used openSUSE for several years before I even heard of the opensuse-
community site or it's packages. I still think something should be tied
in to the inital system update so that the user doesn't need to have to
stumble upon the solution.

#1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-12-03 05:01:12)
The first thing I do after a fresh install is enable Packman (and
others) so I get codecs. I am sure plenty of users have no idea about

#2: Alex Bars (alexdbars) (2010-12-03 05:42:53) (reply to #1)
On installation that ask to enable third-party and wireless will be
great to new users, just like in Ubuntu 10.10!

#3: Michal Papis (mpapis) (2010-12-12 02:41:37)
Best would be on first login to open community repositories list with
preselected packman, also the list should have filtered things that
already selected before.

#4: Jörg Schmela (herz-von-hessen) (2011-02-25 18:26:51)
My first Thing i do after a fresh Installation of openSUSE is to add
and enable the Packman-Repository. This ist nessesary for the modern
compunting humans. Multimedia is not only for Geeks, it is a Part of
our World. So if the openSUSE Team is not able to make this inhouse,
the should let the Packman-Team in to to what thy since the last Years

#6: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2011-02-27 23:30:14) (reply to #4)
"com*punt*ing" - describes the process of what they do so well ;-)
NB: the richtext editor really is fucked up ("Adding comment failed:
Error: Element em was declared #PCDATA but contains non text nodes at :
1" once it sees HTML.)

#7: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2014-05-31 14:22:59)
Better idea would be creating OpenSuSE for less restrictive countries.
It will contains codecs.
I think OpenSuSE is able to play mp3 out-of-box, because fluendo-mp3 is

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