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[openFATE 308361] Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months
Feature changed by: Tomáš Chvátal (scarabeus_iv)
Feature #308361, revision 17
Title: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months

- openSUSE Distribution: New
+ openSUSE Distribution: Rejected by Tomáš Chvátal (scarabeus_iv)
+ reject reason: We now branch of SLE and release every year while have
+ short support cycle that does not justify regenerating ISO images.
+ For the rolling approach one just should stick to TW.
Priority
Requester: Desirable

Requested by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org

Description:
Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - with sane
N being in range (6..12)
Remastering has been done once for 10.1:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-10/msg00001.html
cons:
methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older releases
if isos shall be officially supported, some installation testing is
needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could easily do
that)
Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM templates and are
not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from the general public
keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, slipstream

Relations:
- Suggestion for future Leap versions (Reddit) (url:
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/57id2q/suggestion_for_future_leap_versions/)

Use Case:
User A wants to install a stable version of openSUSE on his father's
computer, but since his father only has a modem connection, installing
100 MB of updates after installation to have a secure system is not
possible.
So user A downloads openSUSE-11.1-DVD-remastered1-i586.iso over his
broadband Internet connection, burns it and installs it, needing to
fetch at most updates of the last N months over slow Internet.

Business case (Partner benefit):
openSUSE.org: openSUSE GM isos are usually released with dozens of
known issues and hundreds of unknown issues for which later updates are
released.
https://features.opensuse.org/308284
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-08/msg00004.html
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-12/msg00004.html
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2009-11/msg00008.html
pro:
allows installations in cases where bugs in original
network/IDE/SATA/graphics driver prevented easy installation+update
allows to cleanup other ugly installation issues like
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556868
allows to easily install an updated system where no broadband internet
connection is available
compared to current GM isos, such an DVD iso is better suited for user-
archives after discontinuation, when updates become unavailable
hardly any extra work needed, as updates are already created and tested
existing image-creation mechanisms can be re-used
sort of the most bug-free openSUSE we can get

Discussion:
#1: Victor Ong (acuvic) (2009-11-24 23:14:28)
I like this idea very much. Besides useful in the case given above
(father's computer) when you need a reinstall after the original ISO
has been released for a while, it saves background mega update when
just after a reinstall and you are trying to use the computer. Just
bittorrent the latest ISO when you have spare time and dont need the
computer for a while. Or if your 'puter is kaput, ask a
friend/colleague to do it for you!
Perhaps instead of an ISO release after every N months, it should be a
release after X number updates, or even after Y MBytes of updates.
Because in N months, there might not be many updates or the converse is
"too many" updates.

#2: Carlos Lange (cflange) (2009-11-25 06:52:16)
I also like this a lot. I usually install every other release in all
computers in my lab, so by the end of the 1.5 year cycle, if I need to
install a new machine, the download and installation of patches is
painful.
Victor: I don't think it mathers if there were many patches (or few,
which would be a first!), since the download would always consist of a
DVD ISO image.




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https://features.opensuse.org/308361

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