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[openFATE 310668] run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no'
Feature changed by: Christian Boltz (cboltz)
Feature #310668, revision 24
Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no'

openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger)
reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4
Priority
Requester: Important

openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager
Priority
Requester: Desirable

Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu)
Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org

Description:
I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs
a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and
painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the
master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue
application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried
(headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume
slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is
totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes
= no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is
clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because
Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't
need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a
song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the
app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The
user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME.

Business case (Partner benefit):
openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent
hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's
ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses
pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable
with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop +
headphones this is close to a criminal assault.

Discussion:
#1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48)
Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be
included.

#2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05)
why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a
feature and not a _bug_ report?
and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up
the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all...

#3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52)
(reply to #2)
Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for
11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin'
damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... (
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I
writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on
openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore...
Does anybody even care about stuff like this?
c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista.

#4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11)
I've filed a bug against 12.1
If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and
burn every single openSUSE medium I can find.

#5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36)
See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728
and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes
enabled.

#6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03)
Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912.
So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this
feature in the next OpenSUSE release.

#7: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) (2014-01-31 12:13:16)
I think an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog would be
good for this also

#9: Alan Bortu (alanbortu) (2014-02-01 03:29:34) (reply to #7)
I am okay with this if it is an option that can be chosen from YaST or
Kmix. It would make it much easier to change it if you dont like the
default setting (whatever that may be)

#8: patrick shanahan (paka) (2014-02-01 00:30:44)
Yes, it should be default and should be switchable by the PulseAudio
Volume Control module

#10: Sergey Kondakov (x0f) (2015-02-03 12:05:35)
Score is +45 and it's rejected. In OpenFate the fate is so open, you
guys. But hey, we apparently need compatibility with Windows, to be
bloated and broken by design.

+ #11: Christian Boltz (cboltz) (2016-02-29 22:20:16)
+ After today's Tumbleweed update:
+ # rpm -q --changelog pulseaudio | head -n3 * Mi Feb 24 2016 hguo [at]
+ suse.com - Disable flat-volumes by default with config
+ disable_flat_volumes.conf Remedy for Fate # 310668 (/310668) .
+ So it seems this was finally fixed :-)




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