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[openFATE 310778] Opensuse 12.3 - Appstream based app-store to be integrated into next release
Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix)
Feature #310778, revision 61
Title: Opensuse 12.3 - Appstream based app-store to be integrated into
next release

openSUSE Distribution: New
Priority
Requester: Important

Requested by: jimbo bigcreed (dimble_thricefoon)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org

Description:

http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/26/from-the-developer-to-the-user-and-back-announcing-project-bretzn/
Purpose:
1) Make it easy for developers to release an application
2) Make it easy for developers to market and for users to learn about
that application
3) Make it easy for users to install the application
Project Bretzn consists of three parts: the building of the package,
the publishing of the application, the marketing to the users and the
feedback cycle back to the developer. The building part consists of
plugins for IDE’s and integration with Build Services and using Lubos
Lunak’s OBS Generator (http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4177) (yes,
still looking for a new name
(http://michal.hrusecky.net/index.php/blog/show/kde-obs-generator-is-looking-for-a-new-name%
21--1.html) ) to automatically generate cross-platform build files.
Publishing sends the app to a variety of App Stores and then markets it
through announcing it on Facebook, Twitter, via a RSS feed and the
Social Desktop (http://socialdesktop.org/) . Finally, users can provide
feedback by rating the application and commenting on it, by writing bug
reports and send messages to mailing lists or forums. And all of that
with one click (well, maybe a few more).
Status:
Over 70% of the work is done already and the team is aiming to ship in
December. They are working with other openSUSE developers to make a
proof-of-concept App Store for openSUSE using OBS and the other
integration which will hopefully ship in the upcoming openSUSE 21.1
release.
This sounds like the kind of thing we want!

Relations:
- Appstore screenshot (url: http://socialdesktop.org/bretzn/store.jpg)
- Bretzn screenshots (url: http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/951406)

Use Case:
Interesting debate on the fedora communities desire for an app-store:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-October/172149.html

Discussion:
#1: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2010-12-29 13:14:37)
update on Bretzn:
http://blog.karlitschek.de/2010/12/beta-of-qt-creator-buildservice-plugin.html

#2: Jos Poortvliet (jospoortvliet) (2010-12-29 16:00:37)
End of Januari a Bretzn sprint will be held in the openSUSE offices in
Nuremberg, part of the goal is to integrate it better in openSUSE.
Hopefully we can make this happen ;-)

#3: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2010-12-29 22:58:24) (reply to #2)
thank you Jos,
I look forward to seeing bretzn integrated into 11.4.

#4: Nelson Marques (ketheriel) (2011-01-01 15:50:35)
I find the terminology 'store' misplaced for a community freely
available linux distribution.

#5: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-01-12 17:38:58) (reply to #4)
Why? "Current features of the API include categories, screen shots,
change logs, commenting, rating, search and update notification.
Furthermore, applications can be either free or paid and the payment
goes directly to the developer. Not all AppStore clients include all
features right now, the KDE GHNS client is probably the most complete
as it has been around for many years."
It is possible to make financial transactions in return for
apps...........

#6: Jos Poortvliet (jospoortvliet) (2011-01-13 17:32:13) (reply to #5)
hmmm, I think I understand Nelson here - store sounds much more
commercial than we are as openSUSE ;-) The reason for the name
'appstore' is because it is familiar to many people. Let's be honest,
Yast already provides what really is an appstore - zypper does nothing
else than Apple's appstore. Sure, a 'proper' appstore looks a bit
better, is easier, allows 'external' parties to enter apps etc - but in
the end it's not different from the distribution repositories we've had
for what, 15 years?
So the main reason to work on an openSUSE 'appstore' is because we want
to piggy-back on the popularity of the term. Now THAT is surely an
argument Nelson can fully support, I would think.

#7: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-01-14 13:18:36) (reply to #6)
i accept the point. :)

#35: Nelson Marques (ketheriel) (2012-11-16 22:46:26) (reply to #6)
Not really; Maybe you like to see openSUSE as a 'follower'... I would
like to see it as source of innovation... the terminology 'store' is
too much warned off, not to mention that many possible combinations
will probably bring legal disputes, e.g. App Store...
But I don't care what people call it. Just making my useless cents.

#36: Dainius Masiliunas (greatemerald) (2012-11-19 18:32:59) (reply to
#35)
I have to agree with you. Ubuntu's "Software Center" sounds a lot better
than Apple's "App Store". Sure, it may even be possible to find
commercial applications here, but that is not the main point of it. The
main point is distributing OSS software. And it could very well be
confusing for new users if it was named "App Store". If they have not
used anything else to know what it is, the logical assumption is that
everything there is paid. And they are using a free as in beer
operating system. So they would potentially never even open it (as the
case is with Windows Marketplace, too).

#8: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-01-27 12:50:16)
major distro's to collaborate on app-store framework, opensuse to use
ubuntu app-store front end via policykit:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA1MA

#10: Jos Poortvliet (jospoortvliet) (2011-01-29 06:06:35) (reply to
#8)
not really a correct article, we won't be using Ubuntu's appstore for one.
Bretzn will create our appstore as the next link you posted shows :D

#11: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-01-31 17:09:06) (reply to #10)
cheers, that became apparent yesterday when frank replied to a similar
question on opensuse news. :)

#9: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-01-28 14:50:53)
Opensuse app-store starts to take shape, looking good for opensuse
11.4:

http://news.opensuse.org/2011/01/27/first-bretzn-sprint-opensuse-app-store-on-the-horizon/

#12: Konstantinos Koudaras (warlordfff) (2011-02-22 22:08:46)
I proposed to look at this idea into GSOC ideas wiki page . We are
looking for mentors so if anyone wants to help, please add your name in
the wiki page (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas )

#13: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-02-23 15:31:00) (reply to #12)
does this mean we won't see it in 11.4, or are you suggesting a GSOC
project to expand the scope of Bretzn, eg commercial payment options,
etc?

#14: Atri Bhattacharya (badshah400) (2011-02-23 16:02:25) (reply to
#13)
Bretzn is not in 11.4 as far as I know.

#15: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-02-24 11:38:46) (reply to #14)
thank you. :(

#16: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2011-02-24 15:26:26) (reply to
#15)
Bretzn / AppStream is targeting to a November release. You can see the
estimated timeline at:
http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/ActionItems
(http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/ActionItems)
It's sad to have to wait so long but hey, they're doing it ;)

#17: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-06-01 12:21:37) (reply to #16)
many thanks.

#18: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-06-24 11:30:20) (reply to #16)
is there anything to actually see on that page?
i cannot see any kind of schedule at all.............

#19: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2011-06-27 17:23:24) (reply to
#18)
well, i think they had some problems with spam and when they locked the pages
the schedule was gone. You can see it here:

http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/ActionItems?action=diff&rev1=56&rev2=57

(http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/ActionItems?action=diff&rev1=56&rev2=57)
and if you want you can also follow Alex Eftimie's work. He is a (Google
Summer of Code (GSOC) student that is also working on the Appstream
project. Here are 2 links that you may like: His Blog about GSOC:
http://alex.eftimie.ro/category/gsoc/
(http://alex.eftimie.ro/category/gsoc/)
And His Calendar:
http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~alexef/gsoc/gsoc-calendar.html
(http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~alexef/gsoc/gsoc-calendar.html)
hope i've been of any help ;)

#21: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-06-30 12:11:06) (reply to #19)
massively. thank you.

#20: Christian Wansart (ctwx) (2011-06-28 10:17:59)
I think this is a nice idea but please, don't replace YaST with it. I
think, it would be great to have both. I like YaST the way it is. It
provides a lot of features which are useful if you're searching for new
software.
Perhaps Bretzn could replace (in KDE) KPackageKit.

#22: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2011-08-28 03:15:55)
I think this should be marked as a duplicate of:
https://features.opensuse.org/312468

#23: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-09-09 15:52:09)
jos has put out a request for assistance on this feature, here's hoping
it can still make 12.1:
http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/09/bretzn-at-osc.html

#24: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2011-09-22 10:28:18) (reply to #23)
does the delay of 12.1 beta by two weeks improve the odds of bretzn
making the cut?

#25: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-03-04 13:33:02)
henne is listed a 'running' this feature on the 12.2 major features
page, and he has said there is a team seeking to implement both kde and
gnome front-ends to the appstream app store in time for 12.2.
hoorah!

#26: 6tr6tr R (6tr6tr) (2012-03-27 20:19:54)
Something like this will go a long way towards helping opensuse win
over more users. It depends, though, on how well it's integrated with
zypper and how well it handles conflicts without giving confusing or
unactionable errors to the user.

#27: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-06-27 12:28:48)
GSOC report on App Centre from Matthias Klump:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2012-06/msg00226.html two
questions:
1. do these packagekit changes affect Bretzn, or just the Gnomified App-
Centre? 2. what does this (unstable packagekit) and opensuse delay
(Sept) mean for app-stores in 12.2?

#28: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-07-24 11:19:58) (reply to #27)
another update:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2012-07/msg00082.html

#29: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-08-20 14:59:58) (reply to #28)
and another:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2012-08/msg00151.html
looking forward to his pens-down update - hopefully elaborate on how
this impacts on opensuse 12.2.........

#30: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-08-21 11:50:33)
there is lots of talk on the factory mailing list of throwing apper
overboard - do they consider the impact on the proposed app-stores here
when they make such suggestions?

#31: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-08-28 13:15:22)
Request for an update: Matthias GSOC project is now complete and seems
to have been a great success:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2012-08/msg00205.html The
Project Bretzn app-store was for a long time listed on the "major
features" wiki page for 12.2, but is no longer:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Major_features#Proposed_Features
So, will there be an app-store in 12.2 or not? :)

#32: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-08-28 13:16:57) (reply to #31)
p.s. henne was running an appstream integration project for opensuse
here: https://trello.com/board/appstream/4f156e1c9ce0824a2e1b8831
but no activity listed since late april.

#33: phil osophe (posophe) (2012-09-15 16:38:01)
And the AppStore will be coming with a qt frontend only or a gtk
frontend is plan ?

#34: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-09-17 16:01:31) (reply to #33)
It’s coming in the near future:
http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/08/appstream-for-apper.html.
http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/08/gsoc-appstream-final-report.html.
I don’t think the Brezn UI for KDE we hacked on will be picked up,
nobody cared for it in the mean time. But I would like to include the
OCS components of the Brezn project and the GSoC student worked on
Apper integration.

+ #37: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2013-01-09 09:29:27)
+ So opensuse, what is happening with an Opensuse based app-store:
+ http://dantti.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/happy-new-apper-release-0-8-0/
+ ???




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