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[openFATE 309487] Clean out X11 keyboard configuration in YaST
Feature changed by: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch)
Feature #309487, revision 15
Title: Clean out X11 keyboard configuration in YaST

openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch)
reject date: 2011-03-29 17:51:18
reject reason: Obviously not being addressed.
Requester: Important

openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed
Requester: Desirable

Requested by: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome)
Partner organization:

Currently, 'yast2 keyboard' is using kind of strange way of determining
which X11 keyboard layout to use.
There's a map of internal YaST keyboard names, to which the list of kbd
console maps is mapped (like, Such console map is taken as
a parameter for calling /usr/sbin/xkbctrl script, which returns the
informations about corresponding X11 keyboard layout (usable for
One problem is that not for all languages, there's a sense to have
console map, and because of this situation in YaST, we are using files
like, which are only links to
Other part is that the list of X11 keyboard layouts is part of sax2-
tools package which we probably want to drop.
New solution would mean that YaST has all the information currently
provided by xkbctrl: either by building its own data structure (if
there's no other application using it), or using a better way to get
the data YaST needs to know.


#1: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2011-10-13 15:24:42)
Stefan, where does YaST get the info about which setxkbmap command to

#3: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2011-10-14 11:41:44) (reply to #1)
The information in /etc/X11/xdm/ can be used for a new

#2: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2011-10-14 11:34:50)
BTW, don't you know how other distros are doing it? Is there any common
mapping from locale (de_DE) to console key map and X11 keyboard map?
Actually, if we'd create some new file for it, I'd still more like to
have it not inside YaST filesystem subtree, so it is easily available
to potential other applications.

#4: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2011-10-14 11:52:09) (reply to #2)
I don't know how other distros handle this. You would like to figure it
out? Please go ahead. I always thought YaST is our config tool.
I would go for a config file/configuration, which is read by the usual
desktops like KDE, Gnome, Xfce, etc to use this keyboard setting by
default (global keyboard configuration) unless the user choses a
different one. And that way finally get rid of this /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
d/90-keytable.conf snippet created by /etc/X11/xdm/keytable. And yes,
this will no longer cover the twm/fvwm2 user.

#5: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2012-01-05 11:07:35)
1. So, YaST should offer all X11 layouts from start: where can I find
the list of them? I assume there's a list, which is used buy KDE/GNOME
tools. I think we should not use only the subset from
2. YaST needs to determine which layout to used as defalt, based on
user language during the installation. But this could stay YaST
internal, as it is relevant to installation only.
3. Based on selected X11 layout, YaST should set also console keyboard.
The mapping of X11-> console could be taken from current
/etc/X11/xdm/ (it does not cover all X11 layouts, but that
is fine) and could probably stay internal in YaST. Or do you think it
makes sense to make it public for any other (desktop) applications?
4. The variable in KEYTABLE in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard could probably
stay with current meaning.
5. We probably need to save X11 keyboard information saved somewhere
(esp. during installation, when setxkbmap call is not available), and
this info would be read by desktops to apply the layout, right? Seems
like such config should contain all options needed for setxkbmap so
other conversions are not needed. What do you think, could use
/etc/sysconfig/keyboard for that? With the values like X11_LAYOUT,
X11_VARIANT etc.?

+ #6: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2012-01-05 12:28:04) (reply to #5)
+ @1: I'm not sure whether KDE/GNOME tools use a static list for this or
+ if they figure this out on-the-fly via libxkb and how. Please ask our
+ KDE/GNOME developers. They should know better than me. @2: I agree.
+ Default should depend on the language. Unless we can detect the
+ keyboard language ... @3: I agree. I don't think desktop applications
+ are interested in Linux console keyboard layout. :-) @4: Sure. I agree.
+ This variable can stay with the current meaning.
+ @5: Basically I agree, but I wouldn't split this into several options
+ (of course YaST internal you do this). Just all options for the
+ setxkbmap command in one string.

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