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[openFate 305249] Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1
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  • Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:13:28 +0100 (CET)
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Feature changed by: Arseniy Lartsev <receive-spam@xxxxxxxxx>
Feature #305249, revision 11
Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1

openSUSE-11.1: Done
Requester: Important
Projectmanager: Mandatory

SLED-12: New
Requester: Important

SLES-12: New
Requester: Important

Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@xxxxxxxxxx>
Partner organization:

As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace
the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1
and future versions.

#1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@xxxxxxxxxx> (2008-08-19 09:07:09)
Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok
from his side.

#2: Andreas Jaeger <aj@xxxxxxxxxx> (2008-08-19 09:30:54)
Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only
discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct?

#3: Mike Fabian <mfabian@xxxxxxxxxx> (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to
> As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile
Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the
Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render
much worse because they don’t have good byte code.
(They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better
in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t
aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier
> I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source
> fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions.
I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only
3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are:
Liberation Agfa Microsoft
Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial
Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman
Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New
Bell MT
Andy MT
Utah MT
Andale Sans Trebuchet MS
Arial Black Arial Black
Monotype Sorts Webdings
Andale Mono
Comic Sans MS
Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to
“Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different.
“Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but
“Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif
fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT”
and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document
(although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document
would look very different in style.
I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most
people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t
think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts.

#5: Guy Lunardi <glunardi@xxxxxxxxxx> (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to
Looks like my email to Michael :-)

#8: JP Rosevear <jpr@xxxxxxxxxx> (2008-08-19 14:52:35)
I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation
vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with
at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT",
"Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH"

#9: Christoph Thiel <cthiel@xxxxxxxxxx> (2008-09-11 16:00:48)
Done for openSUSE 11.1

+ #10: Arseniy Lartsev <receive-spam@xxxxxxxxx> (2008-11-06 15:13:26)
+ Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT
+ (at least in 11.1 Beta 4).

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