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Re: [opensuse-factory] adverse effects in SLE and openSUSE relationship
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 11:36, Hans-Peter Jansen <hpj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Am Montag, 8. Juli 2019, 09:30:06 CEST schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:

Am 07.07.19 um 10:07 schrieb Simon Lees:
I think your missing the point of Leap, Leap is meant to be stable and
boring, its meant to keep the same or a very similar base system for
most of its lifecycle, it intentionally doesn't get the newest
everything stuff is only upgraded if there is a really good reason, this
is what some openSUSE users want. For people who want the latest stuff
tumbleweed is a far better option.

not sure if this is the correct thread and location (actually I think
it's not) but this is actually an interesting topic.
Specifically since 15.1 I had the feeling that SUSE "dictates" a bit too
much what gets into Leap and what is not.
There are examples where updates were dismissed because SLE 15SP1 has a
certain package and didn't want to upgrade or packages which are taken
over by SLE15 variants which were a fork before.
I am not sure if all those decisions have been completely agreed
inbetween the openSUSE community packager and SUSE.

There is a process for raising concerns in this project when one
maintainer disagrees with another.
That is when the openSUSE Board should be contacted by the aggrieved parties.

As far as I can recall, there has never been a single concern raised
by a non-SUSE employed contributor about the SLE/Leap decisions of a
SUSE employed contributor, or visa versa.

So, while I'm not naive enough to be surprised by your point, I am
highly disappointed that you and any others who feel the same as you
feel that griping in a public mailinglist is preferable to raising
your concerns to the very body that exists for when different
contributors disagree on the nature of their contributions.

Yes, it could lead to somewhat grotesque situation, where a fix to a
*dysfunctional* package takes more than half of the distributions *lifetime*.

If you want fast moving changes, use Tumbleweed.

The fact that all changes to Leap after release are deliberate and
very carefully examined and thoroughly worked through is a positive,
not a negative of the SLE/Leap dynamic.
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