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Re: [opensuse-factory][PLEASE SPEAK UP] Disabling legacy file systems by default?
In fact you're right, I was talking about f2fs and not e2fs.

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 15:46, Raphael Lydia Bertoche
<rbertoche@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Maybe in the enterprise world it makes sense to try to protect your computers
from bad flash drives by removing support for things, but I'm sure that's an
idea that's opposed to the way most people that work with open or free
software think, at least from where I'm standing, even if it has any real
effectiveness as a defence against bad flash drives.

I say it without looking at the list: please get all those file systems back
to Tumbleweed. I lost half an hour last night when I soft-bricked my phone to
fastboot and suddenly my machine that did mkfs e2fs the other day couldn't
mount the SD card with data I needed to repair the phone. But I now realize
maybe this wasn't really that of a boomer since now I can present you with
this cautionary tale. This is why you shouldn't just break any one of those
systems that were for a long time supported on Tumbleweed and are probably in
use somewhere, we can never now how often, and so we can't weight the
potential damage of breaking it.

I felt sad at the time because I realized that feature was present some time
before and was removed without any consent on my part and without a package
removal that would make it explicit.

Also it would take me a considerable amount of time, even not being a novice
Linux user, I've just been busy and never saw any changelogs or notices or
more sadly this thread to find out which line I'd have to comment out, and
even if it were as easy as a click hidden away somewhere, most users would
never get to read this thread or to google it and would probably just think
Tumbleweed doesn't support those filesystems any more and move on. Please
stop assuming users are experts and don't make more difficult software for
those that already don't know how to use it, just because you say it's not
that much of them. Remember the user base of OpenSuSE is nothing alike SLES's.

Please move to the "whitelist" alike approach by default on SLES and leave
Tumbleweed with this basic feature for working with any software system, even
with those you don't use, even if you're not fond of it or it's old. At least
don't do it by default, leave this kind of feature disabling as security
measure optional. And of course, making people unable to mount as root as a
security measure is just not ok. I'd be glad to see it working again.

Not to mention that making bad jokes about other users choices or knowledge
in a mailing list should really be taken seriously. How come you behave like
children in public like this, just because it's "the internet"? "The
community" is not an excuse for your bad choices. If you say those things and
think you know you user base, then you don't.

Please be less reckless in the future guys! In that and in not just breaking
things.

With that said, with less of that I'll probably keep using your software for
another ten years.

Best regards,

Raphael

Em sex, 1 de fev de 2019 18:13, Felix Miata <mrmazda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx escreveu:

Jim Henderson composed on 2019-02-01 19:19 (UTC):

On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 12:26:18 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:

Well, I've only been using Linux since 1995, but I managed to figure it
out with exfat. It isn't rocket science, and with proper documentation,
we make it pretty clear for the dozen people who need hpfs because they
still want to run OS/2 and Linux on the same box.

You have statistics to back up this "dozen", right? Stuff that has been just
working for decades
doesn't get much press.

How do you know that? Do you think a non-expert would know that?

I think people should be able to figure it out, yes. Why do we assume
that people are stupid or unable to ask questions when they run into
problems? Isn't that what the community is for?

Remember for most people what computers are for? Saving time, and doing
repetitive and difficult or
otherwise impossible things. When something long working breaks, time saving
morphs into time
gobbling, not the least of which is Google's response to its bad responses
feeding captchas instead
of useful hits, the domino effect of one thing going wrong leading to
multiple others before
finding any light at the end of the tunnel, the kids stop screaming they're
hungry, and sunrise
begins before ever having gotten into bed.

It just seems silly to me to cater to a relatively small minority of
users who have a specific need.

Breaking what works because only some undefined population subset uses it.
The voice of tyrannical
majority speaking. If most don't need something, nobody needs it.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. 1686, Newton.

TGIF
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Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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