[...] could we please drop the shenanigans here? [...] Yes, lets ignore this non-constructive thread. Criticism without the will to help for change is soooo cheap.
Criticism is a form of bug report. Not helping to change the situation is equivalent to not providing logs, engaging in analysing the problem and testing candidate patches. In the other thread, there was a call to file bug reports even when unable to provide any logs and it is explained that such bug reports are needed to trigger awareness that there is a problem. Similarly, listening to the stories of users will help us to identify where tools and documentation need to be improved. Furthermore, those of us who still have time to look into technical problems in detail, either because it's their job or because they have plenty of spare time, need to consider that many of today's users do not have the time to contribute to reporting and analysing bugs. I suspect that many openSUSE Leap/ TW users came to openSUSE as students before Ubuntu came out, i.e. many of these users are now working in senior positions and have young children. They simply cannot spend substantial time on something their employer or spouse does not see as important. Joachim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org