Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: snapshot 20180206 - boots to white screen

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 12:59:31 +0100, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:

On 2018-02-08T10:40:35, Luca Beltrame wrote:

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Mesa wrote broken caches, but you don't notice when they are written, but when they are read back (program restarts etc.). That's why even after the update you have to remove the cache: the crashy data has been already written to disk.

And someone decided that manual intervention instead of fixing the programs to detect this and clean it up automatically was the way to go? Sigh. We're trying to drive users away, right?

TumbleWeed is bleeding edge. I hope you are aware that problems may arise. If you want automatic fixes, stick to Leap. That said, this problem was more intrusive that the other problems in the last 6 months as it prevents users to work at all. You need strong nerves to not start cursing. Noone ever tells novices to use TW (at least I hope so) For me there are multiple reasons to use TW • Early detection of possible problems • Learning (in *ALL* areas of living on the edge): I think I learned more about Linux deep-stuff here on the ML and on IRC than when I was a comfortable openSUSE user (7.0 .. Leap-43.3) • Newest (versions of) tools • Newest kernel and devel-env to test bleading-edge perl5 development against • FUN! I think I'm just masochistic enough to enjoy the occasional throwback. That said, I might not always like what I see changed, but at least I know in advance it is changing and I know what to do when things turn nasty in production (or test) environments. I'm not a fan of systemd either, but I learn to live with it. This is not a battle I choose to fight in. As long as my (Plasma) desktop shows all I need and my keys start the things I want, I am a pretty happy developer. And yes, manual intervation every once in a while is part of that happiness. -- H.Merijn Brand http://tux.nl Perl Monger http://amsterdam.pm.org/ using perl5.00307 .. 5.27 porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/ http://www.test-smoke.org/ http://qa.perl.org http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/