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Re: [opensuse-factory] upgrade packaging not statically built
  • From: Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink <knurpht@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:12:24 +0100
  • Message-id: <2302905.kIS5ufCzUD@knurpht-hp>
Op dinsdag 14 november 2017 21:42:26 CET schreef Per Jessen:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 14/11/17 02:04, Richard Brown wrote:
On 13 November 2017 at 15:13, Carlos E. R.

<robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Why it makes sense is pretty simple, bad stuff happens,


It seems that bad stuff that happened here is triggered somewhere
between chair and display.

Also note that for regulary maintained releases, zypper patch will
update package management stack (zypper, libzypp, rpm) befor
installing other updates. This does not make sense for dist upgrade
where exactly stuff that happened to you would happen - but hey I
guess you know better then developers of distribution.

But "zypper dup" is the reccomended method to upgrade from, say,
Leap 42.3 to 15.0. It is supposed to work out of the box.

There is, of course, another method using the DVD, which I
personally prefer.

If you expect migrations to work perfectly between a released product
and the earliest development versions of a brand new codebase, then
you are quite frankly stupid.

If you run into problems and do not file bug reports, then you are
quite frankly useless

If you don't file bug reports and instead wax lyrical about how other
distributions from a bygone age managed things on the -factory
mailinglist, then you are both useless and wasting everybodies time.

I think that it is time for you to move on and make way for someone
who has the appropriate qualities to not only be an Ordinary Member of
the openSUSE Board but, more importantly, to be the Chairman, who is
also SUSE owners' representative, of this Board.

Not only do you first publicly declare that you consider users of the
opensuse mail list to be 'scum and [villains]' but you now further
reduce your claim to any professional integrity, and the integrity of
the openSUSE Board itself, by insulting Carlos by calling him 'stupid'
and 'useless'.

Such obnoxious slurring of the general users of openSUSE by calling
them 'scum and [villains]' in the opensuse mail list and now insulting
one particular member of the Community by calling him 'stupid' and
'useless' is not what people expect from an Ordinary Member of the
openSUSE Board let alone its Chairman.

Move on. You have been Chairman of the Board for several years now and
even you must realise that you deserve a well earned rest -- and we
won't have to be called 'scum and [villains]' and individuals won't
have to be called 'stupid' and 'useless'.

At the very least, bearing in mind recent history of the Board's
decisions, the Board should ban you for life from posting in any of
the openSUSE mail lists.

Given Richards most inappropriate choice of words, I second that motion.
I'll suggest so to the Board.
Read the previous messages in this thread, Per, and you'll find Richard's
apologies, incl. acceptance by Carlos.
Let's please take this for what it was now, and move on.

Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht

openSUSE Board Member
openSUSE Forums Team
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