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Re: [opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed 32-bit roadmap?


On 03/08/17 15:44, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Richard Biener <rguenther@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, Mari Donkers wrote:

To quote https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime : "openSUSE Tumbleweed is a
rolling release which has a lifetime of 'forever', assuming you are
running the latest updated packages."

What is the roadmap concerning Tumbleweed for Intel 32-bit (i586)
architecture? Will it supported into the dim and distant future?

Or will it maybe turn into a repository providing multilib stuff for
x86_64 only? A first step would be to raise the minimum architecture
level to that of x86_64, a second step would be to drop support for
running a 32bit kernel (but still allow to install a full 32bit
userland).

How many people really care for running _Tumbleweed_ on ancient
(<= i586) hardware?

We use hardware with proprietary access libraries that are only
available as 32-bit. It is not something we have control over. It can
be the latest 32-bit processor. Updating the computer is not a
problem. It's the data collection hardware that we have to live with.

It was a case of a supplier who made a Linux release and then decided
not to continue to do so. It involves frame grabber hardware that
provides access to a high-speed, high-resolution (and very expensive)
laser scanning system
(http://www.pavemetrics.com/applications/road-inspection/laser-road-imaging-system/).
We have limited customer use. If we ever need to update these systems,
we would like to update the OS as well. So we have been considering
32-bit Tumbleweed. They now run openSUSE 12.1 or 12.3.

If Tumbleweed decide to drop support for 32-bit, I would hope that the
final 32-bit stuff would remain available - if unsupported. This would
include all the repositories on OBS. Not just the final install media.
That alone makes it possible to work with a discontinued release.

I realize this is not a great use case that would make anyone want to
work to maintain support. So, simply keeping the final stuff around
(don't delete the OBS builds even if they do not do now ones) would
really make a difference to me. In fact, I bet that the Tumbleweed
source RPMs would suffice. For the release and for the repos in OBS.

Just my 2cw.


It will still be possible to install 32bit applications on 64bit systems
like it is currently, have you tried running your application on Leap
with the 32bit compatibility libraries installed? Its probably a better
solution.

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