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Re: [opensuse-factory] opensuse factory (2017.02.24) want to remove not installed packages.....
On Sonntag, 26. Februar 2017 15:27:02 CET Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-02-26 14:30 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar composed on 2017-02-25 10:18 (UTC+0100):
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 03:26 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
Right, they're not. Applications and packages are not the same thing.
Only
YaST
knows what applications are. Zypper only guesses what to do, and
doesn't
actually do anything except confuse users with useless messages

So, from now on we will have to call you zypper - because what you say
is wrong and is confusing our users.

So, applications and packages *are* the same thing?

No.

You could say "I want to install the libre office writer", which is an
application. And you do, not needing to know which packages need to be
installed.

There are multiple language failures here. Your response, using confusing
grammar, is restating a portion of what I originally wrote. Dominique wrote
in effect that nothing I wrote was correct. I replied WRT a single
obviously correct point, which should have generated a clarification from
Dominique about what part(s) was/were and what part(s) was/were not wrong,
but did not, at least as yet.

More to the point, when I'm using zypper, I'm working with rpm packages, and
couldn't care less whether or which include anything which someone defines
as an "application". Seeing a message that some versionless Firefox
"application" is being removed, or installed, at the same time as a message
that the already installed firefox-esr is being upgraded is nothing but
confusion, and thus useless, unless generating confusion is the goal of
multiple monikers for single tools.

When using zypper, you are working with packages, patterns, patches and
applications. *You* don't care for applications, most users don't care for
packages.

The package providing the application Firefox is removed, and thus the
information is correct. According to the provided metadata, the firefox-esr
package does no longer provide an application called Firefox.

Zypper can't just guess here, the application could also be removed because
the application had been split to a differently named package.

Regards,

Stefan


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