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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: leap42 - minimum server pattern has become too minimum
  • From: Per Jessen <per@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:54:35 +0200
  • Message-id: <n0g68l$n29$>
Michal Kubecek wrote:

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 07:55:55PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Michal Kubecek wrote:

On the other hand, I can't imagine running a server without
tcpdump, netcat or screen. Someone else might feel the same about
e.g. kdump. But we have enough sense not to insist those must be
part of a minimal server pattern just because we want them on all
_our_ servers.

Yet we insist that everyone needs e.g. strace, bc, btrfsutils, shim,
wireless stuff and what have you (see my list in my previous

Hm... do we? I mean: did you submit a request to remove these from the
minimal pattern?

Well no, I have had no reason to. The minimal pattern has suited me
quite well until recently. It doesn't take too long to install, and
only takes up about 1Gb of disk-space.
When I wrote "we insist that everyone needs" I meant say that the
maintainer of the minimum pattern seems to think that strace, bc,
btrfsutils, shim etc. are all more important than YaST (in the minimum
server pattern).

I guess you might have problem with e.g. btrfsutils (btrfs being the
default for root filesystem) but I would be really interested in
arguments why bc is a necessity (I don't believe it is; I would rather
expect the only reason for it being there is that so far noone
formally requested its removal).

If it were so easy, maybe I should just have formally requested the
re-inclusion of YaST and we wouldn't have had this long thread :-)

I have no problem with strace, bc, btrfsutils, shim etc., except that if
we're cutting down the minimum pattern to the bone, we should have
started with those instead of YaST.

Per Jessen, Zürich (15.9°C) - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland.

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