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[opensuse-factory] Re: Road-map for openSuse 13.3?
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:12, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 29.04.2015 10:58, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Wednesday 29 of April 2015 09:39:25 Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 29.04.2015 02:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

TW is not suitable for everybody :-(

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))

13.2 obviously isn't either - so what's your point?

I don't quite understand yours. To me, it makes pretty good sense
that someone who doesn't upgrade to every distribution release and
decides to skip one is even less likely to be happy with rolling

I'm not saying anything else - I just don't like Carlos' one sentense
replies. Expressing his problems with Tumbleweed (or better the
possible lack of 13.3) is one thing, but throwing statements onto
mailing lists doesn't help anyone.

Greetings, Stephan

What is the situation? for a fixed release (version number as you like),
the past has shown that six month is what it takes at minimum to get a
(mostly) stable set of packages that can be called "release" without
being ashamed afterwards.

We've had the "great" releases, (10.2, 11.4, and even 12.3) and the
"not-so-great" releases (the last was 13.2), what was the difference?

For 13.2 it was the whole network-config issue that took down the overall
impression. Wicked was just NOT ready yet, and this was felt like a
supersonic-knell through the whole system. Every network-depended service
hat its own issues with that, some could cope, some through up.

For me a openSUSE release is not about a "killer-feature", but about a
complete system done right.

If I really want just a specific "killer-feature", I take a distro that features just that. DistroWatch and Linux magazines are great for that.

The real question is: Is TW in a shape that with 6 month work it can be worthy of the title "release", or do we get another set of last-minute
untested software get pressed on?

Keypoints for me:

* Btrfs on / is not in a shape that acceptable for the masses.
- fillup: either the snapper defaults get corrected, or other
config screws get turned in the right directions.
- stability: Ready to run for the next 3-4 Years after install?
Sadly not at the moment.
- Missing repair tools, and step-by-step manuals for crashes.

* Snapper docu is still not complete in the packages, config missing.

* Network:
- where IS the full wicked docu? Not in the packages!
- up-to-date HowTo's for the different scenarios:
+ prefer cable, but use wifi if no cable,
+ vlan,
+ ipsec,
+ ipv6 (state of the art, please),
+ dnssec, authenificating forwarders,
+ firewall and virtual-machines (hello, docker!)

To me it looks like that we really have to get started if we want
a "release" in November.

- Yamaban.
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