On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:34:02AM +0100, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Hi Frederic,
On Tuesday 10 February 2015 09:38:31 Frederic Crozat wrote:
This is only the consequence of being short on manpower in maintaining and fixing packages.
Let me explain why :
Thanks for the explanation. It confirms what I suspected.
Trust me, our goal is to lower the number of patches to maintain in the long run. But it is difficult to reach that goal, even more with fast moving targets and when some fixes or features are either controversial or too distribution specific.
I fully understand that this is an approach that works for a distribution as SUSE SLE, where stability is key and fast moving targets could potentially cause issues. However the question remain if this is also valid for a distribution like openSUSE where people would expect that even fast moving targets are followed closely. I am not trying to criticize nor blaming anybody here, but the question is if the SLE methodology is really good for openSUSE.
As you indicated manpower is in many cases the issue, but in the past we had community maintainers for a number of fast moving packages in Base:System, but somehow those community maintainers disappeared and I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that a SLE methodology was pushed onto openSUSE. The reason why I am saying this is that somehow this started after the decision that the code-base of SLE and openSUSE should be kept equally so that both could benefit.
As you know Tumbleweed as our rolling release is supposed to be stable.
It needs quite some effort to follow systemd version jumps and stay stable.
There is a conflict, which is not just in SLE.
Fedora has newer version of systemd than our "Rolling" Tumbleweed. I think Arch has less contributors than openSUSE, but staying very close to upstream allows them to be stable, using lots of patches WILL cause more time wasted on fixing something that is fixed upstream. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=arch http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse There is a "Refresh" button to see all tracked packages, see the versions and compare. I was so excited to hear about rolling openSUSE, but using Fedora stable gives me newer packages. Regards Mustafa Muhammad
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