On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Claudio Freire
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:43 AM, C
wrote: In my case, I have 2 wired cards. In ifup, I only can switch with these card if I restart te system, becauase systemctl restart network.service doesn't work,
Then you ought to blame network.service.
BTW, without knowing the context, you could simply "ifdown eth0" and "ifup eth1" or vice versa.
You can... I can... can a new openSUSE user? Nope. So, instead of making life better for new users and improving openSUSE for new users, we say things like "it's easy just configure your supplicant file" or "why can't you ifup/ifdown" and so on.
I don't say that.
I say "Use yast", which, incidentally, is our super-duper configuration tool. That works.
Ha... have you actually tried setting up WiFi using YaST? And then compared to NM? NM is easy to use to connect to a WiFi node - even for new users. YaST is not.. .in any way shape or form. YaST is an awesome tool, and I use it a lot, but using it as the default tool for setting up WiFi on the move... on laptops.. on tablets... it's a no-go. It does not work... not technically.. end user experience. It requres a high level of technical knowledge that goes well beyond the average user. Me? I can use it... I use it. I always "fix" my openSUSE installs with a long list of things that I have to override on a default install to make it usable (the list is a lot shorter in 13.1 by the way). I'm on Reddit and other non-openSUSE forums constantly helping new-to-openSUSE users past the poor defaults we use. The whole ifup/NM is a big one. New users come in... try it out, and give up on it when they can't get WiFi working. I see it time and time again. Do I care what the default is for my own use? Nope. I don't care one way or the other for my own use. I know what works for all mobile devices and desktops I install on, and it's generally not the default (when the system is not using eth0 and wired NIC). I can change it, and I am always walking people through the changes. <shrug> whatever... it's not going to change anytime soon. It took how many years to change the silly default on the software installer? It's not changed yet, but there is hope that it'll be corrected in 13.2. Maybe we will fix our default network config by 2023. :-) C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org