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Re: [opensuse-factory] Let's keep acroread for pure reasons of usability.
On 11/8/2013 4:09 PM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:
Per Jessen - 21:41 8.11.13 wrote:
Hans Witvliet wrote:

On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 13:04 -0500, Brian K. White wrote:

He is correct in certainly one aspect: this discussion might better be
done on the users-ML, instead of the __factory__ ML

The discussion concerns a yet-to-be-released version of openSUSE. Where
better than here.

The discussion is far of off-topic flame and discusses how to handle weird
forms that you might encounter and how people love closed source unmaintained
software that nobody can fix and is known to be buggy. This is in no sense
*TECHNICAL* discussion. Apart from that,

13.1 is locked as coolo announced, so
13.1 is not accepting even updates now, only maintenance updates, so no new
packages now.

Since this is a factory list, not a 13.1 list, who cares what can and can't be done for 13.1 one second after 13.1 releases?

But I agree the real problems/blames are:

1) Adobe ships a proprietary binary. They can do whatever they want with it, including charge, not-charge, support, not-support, drop altogether.

2) Users all buy what Adobe sells and don't think about the consequences.

A few years go by and here we are. Given the starting conditions, it is inevitable, a guarantee, not a surprise.

It doesn't matter how much we've all come to depend of something we have no control over. It's still only Adobe's fault for mistreating their users, or us users fault for putting ourselves under Adobe's control, or both. Adobe and yourself, not suse. In no way is it suse's fault for having the perfectly correct policy that you can't ship a known unsupported and physically unsupportable software, even IF they had the legal right to do so, which they most likely do NOT have anyways.

The gas station near my house used to sell good gasoline, then they made a change and now sell gasoline with 10% ethanol in it, which is bad for my cars engines and gives less mpg and attracts water and causes sludge over time and attacks rubber parts over time etc etc.
I hate it.

But it would be stupid to yell at the gas station owner for changing their product and selling me a bad product. The government made a law that all gas everywhere must include at least 10% ethanol.

The fault is the governments, the various big companies that instigated this change to make money, and all the people's for allowing the government to do it.

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