On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 2012-09-03 23:34, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
I don't know, but the fact that so many thousands are using and appreciating openSUSE with systemd speaks volumes from an observational standpoint here. And I think that if the sysinitv holdouts want to win their case, they have to frame it in the context of how it is/could be negatively affecting so many people rather than how it affects just them and their unique implementation of openSUSE.
Considering the massive adoption rate of systemd across the board, I would assume that systemd being dysfunctional would mean there would correspondingly be a mass defection from Linux in general, and I'm not seeing that anywhere.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know how many are using 12.1 with systemv as a solution to the problems they find with systemd? Have you counted them?
Well... just to counter the one or two people having issues with systemd... I'm OK with it. It took a little poking in the man pages and some minor tweaking here and there... but it works fine. In fact I prefer it over the old scripting disaster. Once you get over the learning hump... it's actually really quite nice. The problem with pointing to a few corner case bug reports and a few forum entries is that this represents the few vs. the majority... the few who are having no problems. :-( It's not representative of the reality of the situation. This whole discussion reminds me of the KDE3 vs KDE4 kerfuffle. The soution can be the same. This IS a community distro... so the community members that prefer to stay with the depricated apps are able to (look at the KDE3 guys... they are humming along OK). The main distro focus NEEDS to be on current developments... not yesteryear's... regardless of KDE3 vs 4, Gnome2 vs 3, or systemd vs sysinitv etc etc. If there are enough supporters of sysinitv, then... volunteer to maintain it. There are no roadblocks preventing you or anyone else from setting up a community repo and using the openSUSE build service to build and maintain the old stuff. This is exactly what the KDE3 guys have done.... and... it works for them. Meanwhile the rest of us can get on with developing, maintaining, and using the current technology, and looking forward instead of backwards. C. -- openSUSE 12.1 x86_64, KDE 4.9.0 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org