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Re: [opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed kernel changes to help upstream development
On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 06:46 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 08:55:56AM +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote:
In practice, rc5 vs .0 probably won't make much difference at all, but
more users will be bitten, else the move was a failure. So this move
explicitly plans on users being bitten, detracting from Tumbleweed's
rolling ~stable allure, _evading_ developmental regression detection and
reporting duties being a major attractor to running rolling ~stable ;-)

That's a really good point. I guess I'm abusing my role here as both a
kernel developer who wants to see stable kernels released by the
community, and as the Tumbleweed maintainer, sorry about that.

It's a worthy goal, just a question (as others have mentioned) of what
Tumbleweed's primary mission is. Defining _how_ close to the edge a
rolling ~stable distribution should get is rather a sticky wicket.
I'm all for helping kernel.org developers out, but at the expense of
people who are counting on Tumbleweed to not mess their systems up, I
probably shouldn't do that, as you and Lars and others point out.

Let me talk to James Bottomley about this a bit more, he's the one that
proposed doing this yesterday in the meeting, as well as talking with
David from Fedora, and see if there's some other way we can come up with
that can help out.

Maybe just have a Tumbleweed:Kernel repo that people can add to get this
newer kernel if they want to be on even more of a bleading edge, that
would like to the proper Kernel:HEAD release at the -rc5 time period.
Perhaps that might balance the needs of users better?

Making kernel packages available in Tumbleweed and other stable bases
sounds like a fine idea to me. That may be attractive to those who find
bleeding edge everything (factory) to be far too much of an adventure.

Recovering from a dud kernel is (generally) a walk in the park compared
to userspace borkage.

-Mike

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