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Re: [opensuse-factory] Help Apper to survive (12.2)
On 08/23/2012 12:10 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:

So where is the thread to bash zypper up for wrecking days and systems, being
buggy, removing it from the distro, telling everybody to remove the package
and rename the binary to make sure it cannot cause any trouble etc.?

you *are* tiring!

yes, i know (now that someone else [thank you Vincent] took the adult style trouble to explain the end-to-end package management system to me (a user not a hacker) that what was reported over and over and over by new _users_ as an apper problem is actually a stack problem where the pieces just don't work together in the best interest of any user, and especially not new users..

you might have been able to do that but, instead you elected to teat me like an idiot with your childish, comedy routine of multiple "Bing!" "Bing!" "Bing!"

so, if you care: you can find plenty of examples of _me_ (and others in the fora) bashing the normal 1-Click Install default of leaving numerous added "non-default repos" enabled and refreshing..[which the new user does not know is a risk]

and, you can find plenty of examples of where i have tried to stop the far too often misuse of zypper 'up' and 'dup' while "non-default repos" are active..[which the new user does not know is a risk]

and, you can also find similar cries to not use YaST "switch vendor" to do the same while "non-default repos" are active.. [which the new user does not know is a risk]

so yes: non-default repos load the gun and apper, packagekit, zypper and YaST can all be used to pull the trigger..

so, perhaps 'we' ought to:

1. begin by changing the default behavior of 1-Clicks

2. try to figure out a way to have people born with an understanding our end-to-end package management system AND the ways it can be deadly.

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