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Re: [opensuse-factory] Help Apper to survive (12.2)
On 8/20/2012 8:37 AM, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
* Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar <DimStar@xxxxxxxxxxxx> [2012-08-20 14:23]:

Quoting "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

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On 2012-08-20 09:09, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar wrote:

Well, not arguing about the fact of it breaking systems, but the
'Please offer me all
package updates, not only patches' was IIRC a big request, as
users felt that they are
left out with updates from repos. (From memory.. can't really
just fnd references to it at
the moment).

Yes, I remember that.

New users should not get prompted to update all. Perhaps the
default should be different.

In gnome, the 'biggest' issue is probably the lack of a panel
icon to configure it, but
that should not really be an issue: like anything else,
PackageKit is being configured
>from the control-center, where a link to gpk-prefs is located
(allowing to 'disable'
updates).

Let me see. I'm using 12.1 xfce now, which is similar to gnome and
in fact shares libraries
and things. In the preferences panel I see nothing to configure
the likes of apper.

Assuming that XFCE uses really the same stuff as gnome (and shares
this as well), you would launch gpk-prefs to configure it (gpk being
gnome package kit). Not sure where XFCE lists it..

In order to disable, see
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.devel/45062
For the rest see "man pk-update-icon" and modify the autostart
desktop file accordingly.


How in 9 hells is the regular user expected to find THAT?

The person who can find that stuff is also the person who didn't need you to tell them since they googled up something similar themselves already. The regular user is not on this list and didn't see this post and probably won't even find it by googling. The regular user is simply left looking at a system that isn't working. So no matter which way you come at it, this is not a useful answer to the problem.

He's telling you what the system presents to the user, so that you can see how incomplete it is. He's not saying he literally can't figure out how to fix his own single system.

He's telling you that it's not reasonable to answer the question of the misbehaving system with "just surgically disable that misbehaving part" when the system does not present the user with an obvious way to do that.

The regular user does not even know there are 5 different parts to the overall failing system, let alone which one of those parts is the one that's at fault, let alone how to disable that one without uninstalling, let alone what harm may or may not come from disabling or uninstalling or even merely changing any settings of any of those parts, even IF any such settings were even presented to them in the first place.

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