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Re: Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] Help Apper to survive (12.2)
  • From: Luiz Fernando Ranghetti <elchevive68@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:34:25 -0300
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2012/8/20 Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx>:
Am Montag, 20. August 2012, 07:55:44 schrieb DenverD:
but the problem i'm talking about that not many new in from Windows will
attempt to update/install with zypper (at least until they learn what a
"terminal" is) but they will sure find many dozens of "1-Click Intall"
buttons which by default leave a _wide_ variety of repos enabled (which
the usual new user will happily leave enabled--hey its FREE, so it must
be good to have more and more)....and then apper pops up list of
upgraded software (NOT just from the update repo) and the new users
automatically (seems like--since they are conditioned by their previous
OS) give the go-ahead allowing the pop-up to make their decisions and
just load up conflicting software and kill their system..

I think this shows quite nicely why improving the situation is not that easy.
People confuse and mix-up names, apps, GUIs and use cases etc.

Apper (the KDE app) does not show the user a list of possible choices
including to ignore dependencies. YaST and zypper do. -> apper devs do not
feel addressed.

Apper does show all updates that do not need a vendor change. The reason for
that is a back-end setting. Apper does as it is told, i.e. something like
zypper up instead of zypper patch. -> apper devs do not feel addressed.
everybody else points to the decision taken and the pros and cons.

The term "apper" being used for everything randomly related to packagkit -> no
dev feels addressed, since nobody knows which piece of software the issue does
actually relate to.

People try to kill packakitd but do not disable the service that calls it and
wonder why it always respawns. -> no dev feels addressed because it is
possible to simply disable the service.


I think the most people complain in this particular case is this bug: (zypper: can't kill

Solving this, everyone will be happy ;-)


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