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Re: Post-12.2 Market Research / Planning (was Re: [opensuse-factory] Calling for a new openSUSE development model)
More often than not, employees creating de facto rules or whatever you'd
like to call it, is more the result of them filling in the gaps.  From a
community standpoint, these folks are largely functioning as equal
community members as the rest of us.

Dude, come back to the real world... if SUSE officially removes
support from openSUSE, it's dead stick... How many packages do you
maintain? It's all about maintaining packages... You do see a lot of
Arch Linux publicity, Sabayon and friends... and you are being eaten
alive by them...

We don't have capable skills to keep our users loyal to openSUSE,
unless they are long time users or SuSE Linux legacy users... We have
no arguments to attract new users because we're just like Fedora and
other 'pure upstream' distros... You are blind if you haven't seen it,
specially as former Marketing Team Leader...

Community participation is what drives the Project, and even lack of
community participation is also what drives the Project.  Not all of us
are here because we have an inherent desire to support the Enterprise
product.  We're here because we support openSUSE.  But presumably, we're
all here with an inherent desire to make openSUSE the best damn distro
out there.  :-)

That's quite a nice eufemism :)

That's not to diminish SUSE's role and contribution to the project.
They're a major sponsor of the Project and we certainly are gratified
with what they have contributed in terms of personnel (booster team),
infrastructure, and whatnot.  And I would certainly hope that for all
their contributions, SUSE reaps good benefits from the existence of a
community Project.

Like I said before... If you remove the SUSE personal from the
project, you don't have a community... :)

But there are some folks here who contribute to openSUSE for their own
projects/products.  It's not an automatic assumption that what we are
doing here is for the purpose of making a better Enterprise product.
openSUSE is *upstream* rather than *basis* for SUSE.

Speaking for myself, it's all a matter of know-how and experience in
areas in which are not the areas of our expertise (being mine
Marketing Management). Screw the community, screw the users, screw
everyone... Real nice things come out of pure selfish actions... Doing
stuff for the others doesn't really lead you to nice results, unless
you are talking about the kind of bonds that are only built in combat
between blood brothers.
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