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Re: [opensuse-factory] Calling for a new openSUSE development model
On 6/14/12, Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Let's discuss things very openly - I think we learned enough about where
the current model works and where it doesn't so we can develop a new one

I hope I make sense here. Please correct me where I am wrong.

How do we go about deciding what makes the next point version? I
thought the reason openSUSE went to the 8 month schedule was to take
more time than a 6 month schedule allowed, but to get new versions out
sooner than yearly.

So, if we are taking a snapshot of factory at a certain time, then
that should be made into the next version. Correct? So, if we take
factory as it is on Jan 1 & then move it to Beta, that means we are
going to keep what versions we have(except in cases where newer
versions are actually needed or make sense).

Now, I've seen several instances over the years where new software was
pushed in after the Betas started(10.1/Beta 3 new package manager ring
any bells). I thought that was a bad idea at the time, and I still
think things like this are. If theres a need for something, then we
need to scrap the current Beta and move back to an Alpha again. Only
for very specific reasons should that even be considered.

Once we split factory off into a proposed point version, then we
should work to stabilize what is and test it to get it out the door.
This seems to be the approach that most distros use.

Basically, i would recommened scrapping this milestone stuff & go back
to alphas/betas/Rcs,

Alpha releases - 2 or 3 that are snapped out of factory that allow the
inclusion of new versions of programs if there is a complelling reason
for the upgrade.

Betas - No new package versions without just cause. Major integration
time & bug fixes.

RCs - Final testing before release(bug fixes, etc).

Now, I like the tumbleweed idea. I would like so see more work to
move updates to like KDE4 or GNOME3 that are put in their own
repos(that I've always felt most users don't add or make use of -
mainly because they aren't aware of them. Maybe they should be asked
if they want them during the install?) moved into Tumbleweed so the
seperate repos aren't neccessary for most users(which may be the case?
I haven't tested Tumbleweed out yet).

Just my 2 cents - not technical, but a user/tester perception.
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