On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Takashi Iwai
At Fri, 11 May 2012 16:09:08 +0800, Marguerite Su wrote:
Hi, last night I asked coolo about how to replace input methods in ISOs. he said all I have to do is to make proposal here and cc-ed to related parts like maintianers of those input methods and users interested in.
Here're the names I found from OBS. they're package maintainers. below are their packages and locales.
Me myself: fcitx, hime. zh_CN
hillwood: fcitx zh_CN
swyear: fcitx, ibus, gcin zh_TW
tiwai: mozc, scim jp
ftake: mozc jp
and if everyone feel affected or involved in this issue, please feel free to join.
(because those input methods also support other languages besides CJK, although such support is minor.)
and Here're the packages involved:
scim/ibus: they're the Chinese input methods in the old days.
fcitx/gcin/hime: they're the Chinese input methods in modern Linux.
mozc: it's popular IM in Japan.
of course they're both for Linux, and both open source works.
and the situation is, when I freshly installed openSUSE, the first thing I do is uninstall those old-time input methods and install new ones. so I wonder if this situation is common, and if it is common, why not replace them by default instead of leaving works to our users?
You don't need to uninstall the old IMs at all. It's just a missing installation of the new IMs. See below.
so I made a survey: https://docs.google.com/a/marguerite.su/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDdoMmU...
and posted on G+, forums. the temporary result I've got is this situation is common in Chinese Community.
(tiwai or ftake, can you please translate to Japanese and spread it out to Japanese Community?)
(since we do not have active Korean developers here, so no way to hear from them. so only C and J here.)
and my proposal is:
1. drop scim/ibus from DVD/CD. (they're really old and react slow to bugs and have famous bugs) 2. add fcitx/gcin/mozc in. (hime is just another fork of gcin. it's another issue, it has a small user database)
so guys what do you think?
The biggest problem regarding mozc is that its development is closed. They accept no patch. Thus some people don't want to take mozc as the default input method. And, if we want other than mozc for Japanese, fcitx would be no option because it doesn't provide any other clients.
Hi, Takashi, can you explain a little bit more about the "And..." sentence? I'm confused... do you want to say, if mozc is the default for J, then fcitx will be uninstalled automatically? but mozc now has fcitx patch and does not depend on fcitx. it can be run solely. so why not Japanese need fcitx package installed?
That being said, unfortuantely there is no single choice to satisfy the demands for all languages.
But, this is no big issue in practice. Adjusting which IM to use as default is basically an easy task on openSUSE.
We have a priority list of IMs for each locale: see /etc/X11/xim.d/*. Adjust the priority of fcitx, gcin and others appropriately for your locale. The priority symlinks are included in each package.
Then, modify the pattern list. Put fcitx or whatever there. But, also note that the packages including "Provides: locale(xxx)" are automatically selected when you choose the locale during the installation. This is missing in fcitx, for example. If it were, this package should have been automatically installed.
Basically that's all. Of course, we can remove scim from the pattern, for example. But this will be installed automatically via "Provides:locale()" mechanism, so it doesn't matter so much.
oh I learn another smart tip. so do you mean, 1 ask coolo to add those IMs into ISO. 2 add Provides: locale(XXX) strings to them 3 modify their xim.d to make sure they have priority over scim/ibus. 4 then they'll be the first choice when selecting that locale. but I still call for drop scim from DVD. because, eg, it's for Chinese, and now zh_CN has fcitx and zh_TW has gcin. then who'll installed it at the fist time from DVD. ibus still have some users, scim, really it's time to let it retire...
I don't know of the current situation of Korean language. Hopefully someone can follow it up...
I know we have kr locale and translations. so may be I can add their l18n team coordinator to this thread?
thanks,
Takashi
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