Am Mittwoch, 28. Dezember 2011, 02:33:56 schrieb Joachim Schrod:
I don't know what Sebastian expects -- I would have had expected an attitude that doesn't call for removal of sysvinit while there are such bugs, directly after a release that didn't even had a working postfix.
Are you sure there were never bugs in an openSUSE release that caused services not to start? According to your logic any of those would have indicated that systemv is utterly broken and must not be shipped as default. The RFC is for the next release. I do not see how starting it later would be any better regarding pointing out bugs and fixing them. In fact, if the testing of systemd would have got the attention from those complaining now at this stage and during the development cycle of the 12.1 release a lot more bugs would have been fixed already.
I also wouldn't have had expected an attitude that uses the question "where are the bug numbers?" to squash discussion, and then complains when there are bug numbers cited. Especially when the complaints include wrong assertions. (That Sebastian opened one of those bugs last week doesn't imply that all of his bugs are from last week.)
It does imply that if bugs are not reported they cannot get fixed. And it does imply that reporting bugs just before Christmas holidays will unlikely lead to them getting fixed within a week on the openSUSE part. Sounds reasonable to me.
But obviously, these expectations have been wrong.
Indeed, polemic emails lead to a more aggressive tone and thus nobody should have introduced any polemic statements or subjective comments but just bug numbers and issues in a neutral and objective and technical manner. An attitude that accuses somebody who is actually doing a lot of work on fixing bugs of having the wrong attitude seems questionable to me. Face it, systemv will be gone at some point and the only useful thing you can do to help is report and fix bugs. Endless discussions do not help improving anything. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org