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Re: [opensuse-factory] work for the future: why do you still use Windows
  • From: Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:33:21 +0000
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From 1999 to 2002 I've used only Linux mainly to professional needs.
While I runned SuSE Linux at my desktop/home PC's, our infra-structure
was Red Hat based, so I lived between SuSE and Red Hat.

From 2002 to 2004, I've used mainly Linux still, but I already had the
need of using Windows. This was mainly because my bank used a Windows
application for it which wasn't available for Linux. Then I would
eventually increase my work load on Windows as from 2004 on I've
developed work for a GSP (Game Server Provider). While the servers
were using Linux, I ended up with putty on Windows most of the time
because I needed to test the games, and they were windows games.

Later in 2007 I've turned my life and went back to the University,
this time to study Marketing Management and Windows became somehow
important. Though there were alternatives to Microsoft Office, it did
played a huge role. Many papers were group papers and people used
office. It's frustrating when you open a paper and all the graphs and
kinky stuff are not rendered. I screamed in agony a couple of times
because of that.

In 2009 I've tried a more direct approach on Linux with the normal
demands and eventually since then I've been around on Linux. I've
fixed the Microsoft Office issue by having my normal desktop PC with a
install of OSX (hackintosh, using Leo Hazard). Ever since then, my
laptop dual boots 2 flavors of Linux.

My current setup is:

- openSUSE 11.4 RC2 - vanilla clean // to test my repository (reinstalled often)
- openSUSE 11.4 RC2 - work

Desktop PC:
- Not used often... but when it was used was mainly to play WoW (World
of Warcraft), Day of Defeat Source (I was a regular of UKCS Donner
extreme server), and Office duties.

Asides from that I have a small 1U machine on a datacenter, it's running Debian.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Sid Boyce <sboyce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 08/03/11 14:37, jdd wrote:

Le 08/03/2011 13:55, Sid Boyce a écrit :

As someone who ditched Windows back in the glory days of Windows 95, I
would like to turn the question completely the other way around and ask
why you still use Linux.
There must be very positive and compelling reasons.

right now I use dualboot to keep full power for HD video editing in
Windows and Windows in virtualbox for gadjets sync.

95% of my work is done with openSUSE.

But, as I said, my mother, some of her friends and my sister in law
(all 70" and up) can't use openSUSE because the power point slideshow
reading. And I can't ask this kind of people to dualboot :-). And, byt
ther way, this makes me have to manage Windows Vista, what I hate!

What make me try this thread is that the problem is often obviously
small (I'm pretty sure than two qualified people could solve it in
some weeks), so it could be solved if we wants. But I'm also sure we
can"'t solve *all* the problems of this sort, so we have to choose.
And so to know between what choose. May be it's much more important to
solve the opennote problem (that donc have meaning for me but may have
for many others).

My goal is to identify the problems, sort them and make public what
could be the priorities.

And it's not a bugfix problem, nothing that can be solved so easily,
that's why I openned files in openfate, not in bugzilla.

Of course, once the priorities will be done, bugzilla will have all
it's importance.


That's OK, but there are so many things to cause a Linux wish list to crash

I have guys in their 70's and 80's using Linux for all sorts of stuff.
Long before it became OpenOffice I was using StarOffice for all the
Powepoint presentations I delivered to colleagues and customers and I have
yet to come across any issues. The occasional issue with Word and Excel
formatting in the early days did occur.

Every time I thought they'd force me back to using Windows, along came
Citrix client for Linux, Cisco VPN client for Linux and wine to run Lotus
Notes - all required to do the day job.

Even when Disney asked Adobe to port Photoshop to Linux they weren't
successful and they had to turn to Codeweavers. There were many petitions to
Adobe from Linux users, pointing out that under Linux and Executor (the Mac
emulator) we could run Photoshop, all to no avail for ages and when they
offered to port it, few were interested as alternatives were available. The
same situation occurred with Adaptec until the guys were so close and had
only made 2 wrong assumptions which did not affect the ability to use their
products under Linux.

There were also lots of stuff I could do in Linux that I couldn't do in
Windows and I noted that if something couldn't be done in Windows it caused
no gripes, a fruitless exercise in any case as there is no one to listen, so
you take what's given and work within the limits they set.
Those types of companies either don't want to upset Microsoft or they see
open source as a threat.

In the SDR (Software Defined Radio) world recently we came across an issue
where on a piece of hardware, No Windows version supports UAC2 (USB Audio
Class 2) which restricts Windows users with UAC1 to inferior audio sampling
rates compared to OSX and Linux unless they spent thousands of dollars to
buy a driver under a NDA or purchase a $600.00 sound card with the
manufacturer's driver against the $150.00 for the hardware on offer. Of
course someone could write a UAC2 driver for Windows, a pretty big task
which is unnecessary in the case of OSX and Linux.
Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks

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