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Re: [opensuse-factory] 11.5 vs. 12.0
  • From: Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 00:07:57 +0000
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Kim Leyendecker
<kimleyendecker@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
03/07/2011 jdd wrote:

Now that 11.4 is done and nearly out, we can think of the future.

Okay, let us think of the future..... After the whole discussion about the
11.4 vs 12.0 topic in the end of the development cycle for the done release,
I think it´s better to talk on it now and make clear which goals we want
achieve with the successor of 11.4. I don´t want to call it 11.5 or 12.0,
just the "successor" till the version number is clear.

For this, I have two ideas here:

Eight months after the 11.4 release, we´ve got November 2011. So, the
release maybe can be called *12*, because 2011 is a linux celebration year
(1991-2011, twenty years). If we use this tactic, we have to release it on
the 17th September, because Linux 0.01 was released on the same date.

Or we say, 11.5 is the logical, evolutionaly and not revolutionary successor
of 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 and 11.4 so it called *11.5*

So far with the version game for marketing:

What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor?


* improvement of the LibreOffice integration
* stable version of Firefox into the standard DVD/live CDs
* KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x
* Unity?


I have really no position, whatever you guys decide, I know it's the
best choice, that's one of the reasons why I've used SuSE Linux and
laters, because I trusted people's expertise to make such calls :)

About Unity, most of the pieces of the puzzle will be available for
the next cycle, at least I know that:

* GNOME 3 gnome-session supports the required session management (it's
also working for GNOME2 with a backport);
* Compiz 0.9.4 should be available (or later) with the required
features (I'm using it with .ini backend as Vincent suggested, and it
seems to work, thought for Unity we can ditch all the wrappers);
* Unity so far (excluding the indicators stack) doesn't require
additional patches, but still relies on very strang software (ex:
glewMX for grabbing openGL extensions, and I really don't trust it and
upstream kind ignored Adam calls up to today with a very required
patch). So it should be possible.

The current status of Unity is:

- Exploding with gdk-pixbuf calls (already solved one missing symbol issue);
- The init sub-system through gnome-session is found working with
GNOME2 and should work with GNOME3 without trouble.

It's really a matter of time until it pops.

Additionally once this release cycle and GNOME3 tasks give people a
bit more of time (for package reviews), we can take a closer look. If
nothing strange happens we should be be able to provide Unity without
major issues (without the indicator stack, and in the case we want to
provide the indicator stack and the fancy OSX application menu's, that
means having a few patches that weren't upstreamed).

Though I've hammered a lot of software, I totally agree with Vincent
as remaining as faithful as possible to upstream to avoid maintenance

Lets wait for compiz official release and integration and then Unity
should be happening soon after.


* Linux 2.6.xx

so far, I know some people are very busy with the 11.4 release, and for
them, I beg you to keep this thread in mind for the time *after* the 11.4
release, but if you can answer, if you have the time, do it now!


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