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Re: Mitigating Multi-boot Issue [Re: [opensuse-factory] Feature #308284: Ship openSUSE 11.2]
  • From: Basil Chupin <blchupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:55:18 +1100
  • Message-id: <4AF365E6.6010507@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
On 06/11/09 02:10, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Intentional Top Post

The below discusses the technical issues of resolving the multi-boot
issues with other pre-installed linux distros. The conclusion seems
to be it is not feasible to address without delaying 11.2 beyond
reason.

It does NOT mention how to mitigate the damage from the fact that we
have a major issue that many testers will hit. The answer is very
aggressive notification to testers and a well documented process of
how to fix the issues that occur.

Even with as short a remaining time as there is I believe there is
time to address those to issues.

I have not even read one message about this issue prior to this
thread, but if it is as major as it sounds below, then I strongly urge
the project leaders to evaluate the issue mitigation strategies as
opposed to their issue resolution strategies.

Greg

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Josef Reidinger <jreidinger@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Clayton write:

I want to play the voting game one last time for 11.2.
For 11.1 many complained that the quality was too bad to
ship. For 11.2 I want to test something: collect your
votes. I created

I voted no, but didn't get a change to comment....
Bug 548993 is one I'd consider a showstopper bug
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548993
Grub cannot find ANY other installed Linux. This is a really serious
bug... one that, if it's allowed to be in the final release, will
REALLY make openSUSE look bad. When you install 11.2 on a system with
other Linux versions already installed, the 11.2 installer cannot find
them or configure Grub correctly, and you end up with a Grub that
knows only 11.2. You cannot booth the other installed OSes unless you
run a repair/recover from one of the other installed Linux versions'
install DVD. At this point.. we are going to ship 11.2 with this
"feature"!

For me... it doesen't bother me on my own hardware as I run only
openSUSE, and will be using only 11.2. For anyoen else.. especially
those who are considering using openSUSE, or those who need to use
multiple installs.. we're going to look so so so bad when they run
into this :-(

As I said in the bug report, I'd call this one a release blocker bug
if I was the release manager.

C.


Hi,
I agree with you that it is regression and annoying. Problem is that it is
found too late in release process and boot is quite sensitive and complex to
do it properly (you can look at it in yast svn how we propose sections-
http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/bootloader/src/modules/BootGRUB.ycp
function CreateSections). So if we wait until this bug is fixed and also
properly tested (just imagine possible combination of supported boot
scenarios
on different raids and partitions) it takes really serious time which delay
11.2 for more then month or two. Of course another problem described by Jozef
in bug is that other distributions change and we don't have enough time to
test it ( our priority is at first boot opensuse, then successful boot after
update and then cooperate with other operation systems ). Our resources is
limited, but I promise that if you send patch which fix problem I review it
and send comments (or add it immediately if it is good enough).

Josef

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Josef Reidinger
YaST team
maintainer of perl-Bootloader, YaST2-Repair, webyast modules language and
time
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The emphasis re this bug is limited to other *Linux* systems not being
recognised.

Last week after I returned from interstate I did the very basic, quick
and nasty, installation of XP and then installed openSUSE RC2. Grub had
no trouble with recognising XP and I can boot into it.

I agree that the, say, Release Notes, must contain a *very* visible
statement about the bug in grub but it should also minimise the bad PR
by stating that it only affects people who already have another *Linux*
operating system.

BC


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