Robert Kaiser
I'm merely a bystander viewing this discussion from the sidelines, but calling someone from Fedora legal "completely uninformed about legal principles" without even addressing his findings is not helping your reputation here or anywhere else.
I judge not on claimed "personal attributes" but on what people tell me. Unfortunately, this person verified that he really _is_ uninformed and this matches the fact that he did previously admit to me that he is no lawyer. I did discuss the claims from Eduard Bloch with a German lawyer and I have a US lawyer on the same floor (a few rooms besides) in my department in the company. My company sends me to legal training courses on a regular base and for this reason, I am able to judge on whether a person tries to tell me rubbish or whether there is a serious legal background in claims. If you like to understand the difference, I recommend you to read this: http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf to learn how decent legal arguments look like.... I know that none of the claims from Eduard Bloch is related to reality. If we like to overcome the current situation (that was caused by Eduard Bloch and only because he was unhappy abouf the fact that I rejected a patch for mkisofs because of the extremely poor quality of the patch and the fact that it was full of new bugs), we need to stop talking about things that have been proven to be wrong. Let us talk about facts instead.....
Also, you're spreading enough FUD on cdrkit that it doesn't shed a good light on you from a neutral perspective if you accuse others of the same.
I inform people about the reality. If you believe I am wrong, you are free to verify this using facts. Fact is that the person who initiated "cdrkit" did spread only lies about the original software and as long as these lies are still floating around, there is a need to correct them.
Free and Open Source Software is about enabling choice, options and free innovation, strong ownership and hard ruling on code philosophically collides with that heavily, while embracing forks and different ideas or strains of thought are completely in line with it. Accusing other projects of misdeed, thumbing them down, and calling them out will never get you anywhere in the open source community. Being open on collaboration and constructive in solving issues is the only way to get things done to include your way.
Thank you for verifying that Suse currently has a credibility problem that arises from the fact that Suse forces their users to use a non-legal and buggy fork but does not at least at the same time allow them to easily use the well maintained original software. Free and Open Source Software allows you to create a fork, but you still have to follow the rules of the law. The problem with the fork "cdrkit" is that is ignores the rules of the law. Freedom is also the freedom of the choice. If there was the freedom of the choice, nobody would ever have used cdrkit. If you like to start a fork, you need to maintain it. In order to maintain a fork, you need related technical skills and a lot of enthusiasm. Both is missing with the people that are behind the fork and this is the reason why many users are unhappy with the fork. As a general hint: Please let us avoid to start a discussion that is based on unproven claims but let the discussion be based on facts. If suse is interested in making their users happy and in getting a good reputation, it would be time for suse to start distributing binary packages for the original cdrtools. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org