Rajko M. napsal(a):
There are also specific development lists:
opensuse-programming@opensuse.org
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-programming http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-programming-de
which is not at all related to packaging
Then there is related bunch: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-testing http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-doc http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-ux http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-artwork http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security
which are, again, unrelated to packaging
We should probably think of reducing number of the lists to bring people together to produce real software products that have not only the code part, but friendly user interface (workflow, artwork, documentation, multilingual support) and good QA trough testing.
That is a noble idea. however, i don't think it can work that way. For one, we already did bring the people together. Look at opensuse@, opensuse-factory@, opensuse-packaging@. In fact, we brought *too many people* together. If a thousand programmers, a thousand packagers, a thousand artists, a thousand tech writers and a thousand testers all gather on one mailing list, they will never ever get any work done. We need to separate people into smaller groups that are able to efficiently communicate and cooperate. Groups that can concentrate on specific tasks - lovely as it may sound, "building the best distro" isn't a specific task. We need to have a group of people that produce great code (developers); a group of people that can wrap it so that it coexists with the rest of the distro (packagers); a group of people that design how it all looks (artists); a group of people who make sure that everything works (testers). And we have opensuse-packaging, opensuse-testing, opensuse-artwork ... see the pattern? Bad news is that artists (testers, docwriters, translators etc) are hard to find. That's why half the lists are dead. The other half is inhabited by programmers. But programmers can't do art and they're notoriously bad at writing docs ;e) For two, not everyone does everything. For example, roughly 70%(*) of openSUSErs use KDE. I don't give half a rat's tail about KDE. That means that from my point of view, 70% of opensuse mailing list posts is pure noise. Noise that i have to sift through by hand. (*) Based on a wild guess. Similarly, i'm pretty sure that three out of ten opensuse-factory posters consider python a spawn of satan - and by posting about python to opensuse-factory, i'm just increasing the amount of noise for them. That's why i'm proposing yet another separate mailing list. (but of course, seeing as nobody is interested, no list for us.) regards m. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org