-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua schreef: | Martin was suggesting that SOME users WITHOUT specific need of 64 bit os | would encounter a lot less difficulties with the 32 bit version, and | he's absolutely right. OK this is true.. | |> In 10.3 Flash 9 works OK, PDF Reader works OK, and since last week, Ice-tea. |> 11.0 has issues because of qt versions? | | No. Flash 9 doesn't work well (bug in bugzilla) and acroread doesn't | work well (bug in bugzilla). Both bugs were reported in my first email. I will take a closer look at them.. | |> changing towards the future very |> fast, and: we notice the negative side-effects from the M$/Novell deal, |> many people that were important for development went another way.. | | What has the deal to do with a practical discussion to find a practical | solution is out of my comprehension. Well that is very simple: More work has to be done with fewer people.. | |> So we have to live with that. | | No. We want to live with that. It's a choice. There is no choice, what will happen, will happen.... | |> Al of this together: No reason to dump 64Bit OS. | | Noone wants to dump the OS. It's just a temporary and working solution, | waiting for things are ready. That is the spirit, working at getting things the right way.. | |> Wait and see, the performance of a fi 64x2 CPU is magnificent. |> Would we throw away all the work that has been done to be able to |> manifacture the cpu's and the software, for a few plugins? | | Those "few plugins" are necessary to 95% of the users. That performance | probably to half of the rest. And suse should target, at least namely, | the first part. I know that, i myself notice these things, but i am not someone who wants it all, and who wants it immediately this second.. ;) | |> I don't think so.. Wait and see, they are going to be ready when realy |> needed. | | Why should we believe to that? SuSE last three releases were, with some | exception for 10.3, disappointing (read reviews, I'm not the only one to | think that). Tell me why should I believe that 11 will be ready, well | tested, with everything in place. Yes, all a result of the dael with M$, you can stick your head in the sand, and not believe that, but that is your own concern. That is because of the expectations set from 9.3, which was 'OK'. If you are not believing in it, it will not be possible, because you shut the door at it. You *have* to believe it, to make it happen ;) 11.0-3 is where we are talking about, not only 11.0, you know that yourself? Everybody can see that the os will not be *totaly* ready at the first chapter? If it would be, there would not be progression, would there? We just do not want to make it *worse*. | |> Just think that we walk a very big step ahead of the masses, we create, |> and they will follow....and we do not ever quit, until the job is done.. | |>From my point of view, we need a reality check. The "masses", as you | call them, are using other distributions (read ubuntu), and they're not | all idiots. They look for simplicity, they found it there. openSUSE | sometimes looks too much for perfection, and instead of finding it, it | messes things up. Ubunto is a rising star, i saw that years ago, i tried it, but it does not work for me, and is nothing compared with SuSE, but that is my opinion. Ubuntu florishes upon the deal with M$.. Many people see SuSE as part of 'ze enemy' now... I totaly agree that things get messed up more than less.. imo this is caused by wanting too many, at too little time. To solve this, there has to be a division 'above factory', but you need the right people for that. There must be an agreement, at what is *most* important, and these things must be achieved first, before going any further. This does not mean there has to be waited. Because the Roadmap, does not only contain one version, but every version should have at least one BIG goal, that *has* to reached. These goals have to be tuned upon the wishes of the 95%, because we are all part of both: the 5, and the 95%. In the end we are all endusers. My wishes, as enduser: Simplicity, Easy understandable way of installing apps, stability, and fast in use. Highly configuerable to personal settings, and *FULL*, and i mean full- Media-support, and here come the plugins you fight for. This last point comes first, because if i look at myself, 1) i want to be in contact with the rest of me (LAN),and the world (WAN) 2) i want to have my music while working, and 3) i want to have my desktop the way it suits me best, and after that 4) i am going to look for the things that need improving. USB devices have to work, floppy for me also, as there are older devices still, that sometimes have to be cleaned or updated the *old* way... So this means that all *this* has to work. System installed, and working with network configuered and up, and all nessesary patches downloaded. The office suite has to work ofcourse, printer(s) and scanners configuered, and working without fuss. In sync with PDA or Psion, and able to watch my Pics and Movies from Cam. Everything there is more, is a present to me ;) | |> If, users are turned away from M$ fi, they will learn very quickly, and |> they will be glad they did... |> And why wouldn't they use what the system installs? |> When one chooses the hardware, one chooses the os... |> At least with linux there is a choice, *and* there is progress! |> Offcourse they complain, and if we show them the way to the |> '3th-parties', they will complain there. |> The more complains, the better the chance, something gets done about it. |> |> About Adobe Acrobat we all know that the issues are not only Linux, but |> M$ as well, 7 did not work at all. A beta version was shipped to the |> public. Many problems with companies dependable on PDF, but that also |> got solved. | | It's not a question of comparing Windows and Linux. I think we should do | OUR part, and MS will do its part to make users life easier. But the | question is, are we doing our part? Some choices tell me we aren't. That is what i am telling: We must do our part. And we should have to make choices about what we think is important: Stability, or new ways, because they can hardly go together... The 95%, you're talking about, want stability first, and might enjoy a little adventure. They want that Multimedia 'works' *DOT* They are not interested in politics to turn down the compettetor/rival... They want to be able to watch 'you tube', create distribute and read their PDF files, and want to vieuw java-applets and play java games, and why not? They are small and cool. | |> There is only one solution: Find, Report and *Kill* the bugs, one by |> one.. ;) | | Please, read the bug about the plugin wrapper, for example. It's not so | easy to fix it seems, and it requires time also according to N, and it's | recognised it doesn't work properly with flash and acroread. OK, i understand your point. These bugs need to have absolute priority, because that is what you are asking. What about combining efforts, and beat these problems? Hey you nice Testers and Devs out there!? Join us and let us beat these nasty, irritating bugs together? | | Regards, | Alberto | Nice talking to you ;) - -- Have a nice day, M9. 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