On 2006/12/21 17:18 (GMT+0100) Andreas Hanke apparently typed:
Felix Miata schrieb:
The inexplicable part is that the base tree doesn't contain everything pertaining to a particular release:
Because: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/
Why?
ftp.suse.com is /suse/, ftp.opensuse.org is /opensuse/.
Yet another artificial distinction, obfuscation worthy of M$. No one whose mind works logically expects to find updates for a distribution whose home is ftp.opensuse.org on ftp.suse.com, unless one is a mere symlink for the other, which in this case is untrue, as only the latter has updates for the releases whose apparent home is ftp.opensuse.org. ftp.suse.com is the logical place to find only updates for non-open suse products, not for opensuse products.
The mirror thing is not a problem either, the base distribution is separated from the update tree because mirrors don't necessarily want to have everything.
Then follow Mandriva's lead: Up to higher level directory Directory: 10.0 04/05/24 00:00:00 Directory: 10.1 04/12/01 00:00:00 Directory: 10.2 05/10/14 00:00:00 Directory: 2005 06/11/07 17:40:00 Directory: 2006.0 05/10/18 00:00:00 Directory: 2007.0 06/09/22 13:21:00 Directory: 9.1 03/10/16 00:00:00 Directory: 9.2 03/10/13 00:00:00 Directory: current 06/11/08 05:48:00 Directory: iso 06/10/10 05:44:00 Directory: updates 06/12/21 23:15:00 No mirror operator should have any problem figuring out how to keep particular subtrees instead of everything.
I don't see why the mirrors shouldn't have the base tree and the update tree together,
My point exactly.
but I don't see why they should change their setup to have them together either because these really originate from different servers.
Why should any mere mortal user care from what server they originate? Users expect updates for opensuse products to originate from the same place as the opensuse products themselves - opensuse - not from (un)open suse.
The proposed change introduces inconsistency.
http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/ http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/ ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat
Do you see the pattern?
Yes. My bookmarks, hotlist and favorites databases all require twice as many entries each for SUSE instead of one as with sensible distros.
There should be no way to choose to update with a GUI tool and not be shown everything that is available, except by explicit choice to show less than everything. People are going to see the short list object, choose it, and think everything is all up to date, just like I did last night.
Who made up this specification? Right now it's the other way round. You won't be able to get this into YOU. You're expecting YOU to do something it never claimed to do.
Updating any sort of packages other than those that belong to a patch is explicitly unsupported.
All security updates from SUSE are part of a patch; if YOU doesn't show anything, they are all installed.
Patch, smatch. All a normal user cares about is getting broken stuff fixed, not the semantics of making updaters do their job or the names of the files they use to do their jobs. If the title of the app says Online Update (as YaST calls it), I expect update to mean update, not partial update, unless the first thing it does is tell me I'm probably in the wrong place if I want more than a subset of available updates, or unless in YaST right beside "Online Update" is some clearly distinguishable alternative that does offer a complete update. If my meaning escapes you, try Ubuntu's apt-get upgrade, or Mandriva's urpmi --auto-update.
(And yes, the functionality to update all packages to their most recent versions is really there. Just look for it.)
Look for it where? In YaST Online Update? If it's there somewhere, it isn't unambiguously described. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org