Felix Miata
On 06/10/23 08:47 (GMT-0400) bugzilla_noreply@novell.com apparently typed:
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------- Comment #50 from sndirsch@... 2006-10-23 06:47 MST ------- Please retest with Beta1 - to be releaesd this week - by installing from a CD, since this is an installation, which we can reproduce.
Either Dirsch or I seem to be misunderstanding what factory ftp is and/or is for. Why does Dirsch seem to think I need to waste my time burning and installing from CD instead of just installing from FTP? Does Dirsch not understand that even after 10.2 is released that FTP installs will need to succeed? Does Dirsch not understand that retests only from DVD or CD mean that retests get delayed and could prevent a fix from being found and verified prior to release date? Is Dirsch the only Novell person capable of trying to recreate this bug or verify a fix? From Dirsch's comments in this and other bugs it seems he has limited resources at his disposal. Aren't i81x chipsets rather common? Why has this bug been open so long?
Stefan is a capable software engineer that is working full time on X11 - as part of a team. None of our engineers has unlimited resources in time or hardware but they do an excellent job with what they have. With hardware it's always a problem to reproduce what you have. Looking at the whole bugzilla entry, I see that Stefan tried his best to fix the problem with the available hardware he has and he managed that with similar card. But graphics cards are so varied that this sometimes does not help. You miss a subtile difference between ftp installs and our factory tree. For openSUSE 10.2 final, we will have a ftp installation tree that is fixed and has the same sources like our ISOs. The factory tree is in constant flux since it's synced out several times a week. Nobody knows exactly what state that tree is in at any time since it changes the whole team. For testing difficult things we sometimes need a fix point where we know that everything works together. That's why Stefan asked you to test such a fix point - beta 1 - so that he knows you have a consistent distribution and he has exactly the same tree for his testing. We do take in general bug reports for the factory distribution but sometimes its permanent changing state is not what you need to debug. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126