David Wright wrote:
Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 17:18 schrieb Rajko M:
Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or ... Above is the reason that I advertise Midnight Commander. http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander It is lesser to learn for file browsing, viewing and editing using mc than command line, and it fulfills most of demands for a simple troubleshooting system.
The problem is that any of "first aid in case of trouble" articles are written by Linux experts. While they are competent in troubleshooting, they can't go in details needed for novice (see above). Expert answers must be translated to the common language, expanded with common Linux knowledge, by some intermediate person that is able to understand both sides. Better (more elaborated) help application than mc might help everybody in the help chain.
I write guides on a couple of forums where there are a lot of Windows users swapping or thinking of swapping. I never mention "vi". As mc and mcedit are included in a normal installation, I always talk about using those tools when navigating or having to edit a configuration file.
Heck, I've been using Linux for over 5 years and I've never started vi...
Probably you did, by mistake :-) It is/was embedded as editor in few applications, and that is the most often how I started it. One day came over a friend. He had to write homework using remote session and vi was only editor. He wanted to learn how to use it. He couldn't believe that I know only how to exit if by accident some application starts it. He thought that I make a joke. I showed him how many editors I have available and what I actually use, and he understood than. At the end we found on the web some of the often used keyboard combinations, so he was able to finish his homework. The vim is powerful, but in all those years I didn't found a reason to learn it. For small configuration edits, the easiest editor I've used was "nano" used by Gentoo installation. If you don't know something just read the list of keyboard combinations that is on screen, but I still use mcedit most of the time (via F4 in mc). BTW, it would be nice if you can find a time and see the page: http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander and give your opinion on how suitable is for newcomers. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org