Aqui lo que tengo es un problema de grandes magnitudes en mi cabeza! :P Primero que todo trataré de recapitularme yo mismo para ver si llego a aclararme yo mismo... [monólogo] Seleccioné una distro de Linux que tiene bastante apoyo por parte de un sector importante de usuarios, aun cuando esta distro es respaldada por una empresa fuerte de software y equipo... Que VENDE todo lo que produce... al fin es una empresa "lucrativa" esto lo tenía claro. Pues todo el trabajo que puedan hacer con esta distro de código abierto es para que en un futuro [dudaba que a largo plazo] puedan tener retribuciones y claras ganancias... Estamos en el siglo XXI, globalización, cambio rápido, nuevo sistema de negocios y nuevas formas de mercados... Simplemente el que no cambia y evoluciona en esta lucha se pierde... Vamos! que Suse [el nombre esta patentado por quién? ¿Novell?] puede que sirva de plataforma para software de derechos MS.... Es posible - aunque intenté leer los correos de las listas que pasaron no me queda claro, mi idioma natal es español, de hecho por eso seleccioné esta lista...- Y lo mismo puede y estará pasando dentro de RH y otras distros fuertes... si las hay fuertes.. como estas dos. Pero entonces me encuentro con otra pregunta de frente! ¿Es por esto que Torvals no está deacuerdo con la nueva GPL? ¿Es la nueva GPL un puente para lanzar este "tipo" de alianza con el monopólico, caritativo y sobretodo donador M$? .... Agradecería que alguien comentara estas ideas que pueden ser tontas, pero es a lo que he llegado con toda esta confución y noticia que me agarró de improviso... Saludos: Mau ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> To: "SLS" <suse-linux-s@suse.com> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-s] Fwd: Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe
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El 2006-11-03 a las 12:15 +0100, Rafa Grimán escribió:
Hola :)
Pedazo de correo de un tío de Red Hat a la lista de opensuse. OLE, Campeón !!!
Pongo la respuesta de uno de Novell (un cuarto de hora después), que tampoco se queda manco poniendo a caldo a redhat.
Saludos Carlos E. R.
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:03:16 -0700 From: Magnus Boman Cc: <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe
On Fri, Nov 3, 2006 at 7:44 PM, in message <>, Greg Dekoenigsberg <> wrote:
Yes, you need to switch to KUbuntu immediately. Because of a corporate agreement between Novell and Microsoft that nobody knows what it is about and that does most likely neither affect you nor the openSUSE project at all.
You're hiding your head in the sand if you actually believe this. The implications of Novell's actions today are *crystal* clear to the rest of the open source world.
Really? And what are they?
Novell is now trying to claim that *their* version of Linux is free of patent risks, and that everyone else's Linux isn't. Section 7 of the GPL was written *precisely* to prevent this tactic.
Please back this up with facts.
Here's the real meat of the problem:
If Novell ever distributes code to any project under the GPL, and that code infringes a M$ patent, and M$ tries to assert patent rights on anyone in that patent, Novell immediately loses the right to distribute that code under the GPL, per section 7. Eben Moglen, counsel for the Free Software Foundation, has already said as much.
You obviously didn't listen to the press conference, nor did you read the FAQ. Whatever stuff Novell distributes (under GPL or otherwise) for Linux, will already be cleared from MS IP infringements. The deal with MS says that we have to make sure it is so. So it is a win not only Novell, but for everyone else in the community.
You signed a patent agreement with M$ for speculative protection. And you'd better believe that the greater open source community will hold you accountable for your choice. Novell developers will find it *incredibly* difficult to work upstream now.
Really. How come that SUN can be involved? They also have agreements with MS. They are really no different compared to Novell.
You can't have it both ways. Either you believe in open source, or you don't. And by trying to use "patent protection" as a competitive advantage, Novell has made it clear which side of the fence they stand on.
So just because RH have a philosophy that it won't use any closed source, does that mean everybody else have to do the same or be banished?
The sad irony: I don't believe that SuSE would ever have made this deal as an independent company.
You believing doesn't make it a fact.
I've watched opensuse with interest since its inception. I always kind of figured that, as opensuse matured, the opensuse and Fedora communities might have had opportunities to work together directly. I guess that won't happen now. Too bad.
Well, if the Fedora community wants to be that narrow, then I guess there's nothing much the openSUSE community can do about it?
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