August 2008 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-edu] opensuse-education server is down
by Rajko M. 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

http://www.opensuse-education server is down. Any news on that? -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] help with foss in schools case studies
by Jpd 26 Aug '08

26 Aug '08

Sent from my iPod On 20 Aug 2008, at 07:47, "Richard Rothwell" <richardr(a)m6-it.org> wrote: > 2008/8/19 jpd <jpd(a)drawneek.demon.co.uk>: >> hit a bit of a road block with our roll out of suse for education. >> >> We need to have a strong and valid argument from some where else to >> show >> that other are actually using it. >> >> I would like close to complete studies, with as many "big names" so >> it can't >> be just dismissed. > > Hi, > > I'm just completing a 1000 word case study on the Skegness Grammar > school FOSS roll out. It should be on the schoolforge.org.uk site > within a couple of days. There are some other case studies there. I > will do a pretty pdf of it. Pretty PDFs good :) > > > Have you thrown the Becta research at your bosses? > http://publications.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=25908 No will dig that out > > > What is the organisation? School, college or what? FE college > > >> Also does any one know what can cause broken packet to cause a >> network to >> collapse? > > Can you give more details if this is still a problem? No, that's all networking has told us > I have a > recollection of facing this problem before... > > rgds, > > Richard > > -- > Richard Rothwell, richardr(a)m6-it.org > Education Consultant http://m6-it.org > > Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail > M6-IT CIC ``Software Freedom for the Education and Voluntary Sector'' > > M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee > Registered in England & Wales, Registration No: 6040154 > 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 7DT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] italc problem on suse 11
by jpd 26 Aug '08

26 Aug '08

CyberOrg wrote: > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:48 PM, jpd <jpd(a)drawneek.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> Stock Suse 11 patched up to date >> >> italc of edu repos >> >> followed the instructions in the readme file. >> >> generated the key >> > > This is done automatically by the rpms, just install italc, > italc-client and italc-master on the server and italc-client on the > clients everything should work out of box. > > Ciao > > -J And it did not - joy When you run it first time - it complains, and tells you to generate the keys. You generate the keys and it still complains - it claims it can't read the file and dies. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] R packages and project
by Andrea Florio 23 Aug '08

23 Aug '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, marek, i'm andrea (andflo on packman) i added you as R maintainer, waiting lars answer to know if i can you as repo maintainer too. the package is available here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Education%3Adesktop about next education meeting check here: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Meetings/Education_Meeting_2008-09-02 bye Andrea -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiv7ogACgkQyCZT87TFPugncACfd06uIMa/wYBa36UUj+dNaVEj 1C0An32TVrxvUjmWKSPYlFd/Zs0Xrkrg =TV6J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Next meeting: Sep 02 - wiki is open
by Lars Vogdt 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Hi This is just to inform you that I've updated the wiki for our next meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Meetings/Education_Meeting_2008-09-02 Please feel free to edit it and add your own agenda - or post it to this list so we don't forget any question/problem/note. Thanks! Lars PS: I'll add the meeting in the "events" section of news.opensuse.org, soon. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] security issues regarding italc client startup
by Ben Cooksley 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Hi, I recently noticed that the italc client is being started as the user that logged in, and this allowed them to kill the italc client and escape my control. i traced the problem and found that you have switched to using /etc/sysconfig/ica instead of patching the /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup script. I also noticed that it no longer runs at the logon screen. both features ( running at the logon screen, inability to kill italc for users ) are very important to me, especially the users inability to kill the italc client. Is there any hope that this situation will change in the future, or are there workarounds to stop users from killing the italc client? Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Scheduled downtime on Wednesday and Thursday (Aug. 20. and 21.)
by Lars Vogdt 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Hi This is just to inform you that openSUSE-Education.org will be down next Wednesday and Thurtday for a hardware upgrade. As we also plan to upgrade the system to 11.0, the scheduled downtime is a bit longer than for a normal hardware upgrade - but this should give us enough time to get all things up properly. As result, the official online repositories will be down for this timeperiod. We apologise for the trouble caused. With kind regards, Your openSUSE-Education Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] recommended package
by Vedran Vucic 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

Hello, I recommend package called FET for school timetabling to be included in open suse education repository. It is free software and there is source for GNU/Linux. Site for the package is: http://www.lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/ Best wishes, vedran -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] help with foss in schools case studies
by Richard Rothwell 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

2008/8/19 jpd <jpd(a)drawneek.demon.co.uk>: > hit a bit of a road block with our roll out of suse for education. > > We need to have a strong and valid argument from some where else to show > that other are actually using it. > > I would like close to complete studies, with as many "big names" so it can't > be just dismissed. Hi, I'm just completing a 1000 word case study on the Skegness Grammar school FOSS roll out. It should be on the schoolforge.org.uk site within a couple of days. There are some other case studies there. I will do a pretty pdf of it. Have you thrown the Becta research at your bosses? http://publications.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=25908 What is the organisation? School, college or what? > Also does any one know what can cause broken packet to cause a network to > collapse? Can you give more details if this is still a problem? I have a recollection of facing this problem before... rgds, Richard -- Richard Rothwell, richardr(a)m6-it.org Education Consultant http://m6-it.org Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail M6-IT CIC ``Software Freedom for the Education and Voluntary Sector'' M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee Registered in England & Wales, Registration No: 6040154 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 7DT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] help with foss in schools case studies
by jpd 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

Ian Lynch wrote: >> Its a nice list but this is all the stuff we have already put forward >> and they have binned. > > Sounds like you are pushing at a firmly closed door. > >> Theres nothing in pdf format - ie sales informations? > > If they have ignored all the other evidence, why are they going to take > any notice of a pdf? - They'll just dismiss that evidence too. No it is shiny and flashy so more likely to hold their attention. > >> They tend to listen more to people trying to sell them something expensive. > > If you are in the UK, I can give them a ridiculously expensive quote and > a nice pdf Great bounce one over, if you know anyone else who can send them as well. > :-) But I doubt it will work if they really are that change > averse. They will always find a reason not to do it because it is change > they fear more than anything. Every minor glitch will be a reason to say > we told you we should not have changed. > >> Our setup has always been commented on as "Toy" - but I never seen much >> toy like with sels 9 - as we don't have a room full of license paper. etc... > > What it demonstrates is the sort of clueless attitude that you are not > going to change with common sense. Probably the only thing that will > convince them is when everyone else around them has moved - that is why > they want sales info. They will use it to discredit anything that is a > minority so you are on to a loser simply because Linux is a minority > platform. Web its not - most web applications are built on lamp stack, thats why the original box was bought. > They are clearly not early adopters. A better strategy would > be to do some simpler things like Audacity, Inkscape, FF, OOo etc on > windows as a start. We been doing that for the last 8 years... IE 7 killed off firefox again. But we need a VB replacement - we can't afford a new version, old on has packed up. Gambas does everything we want and more, and even better that VB6 which is what were are coming off but only runs on linux. We got a few bit of software like this, that does what we need and has the price of free. We are starting a new course, as the old ones have ended, so it has new requirements and new software needed. Were are a grade 4 college, so theres no money. We have three routes: Windows + Adobe stack - which costs a fortune Apple + Adobe stack - which cost a fortune Linux + FOSS stack - Free The course has a 5 year life span, so the costings per students can be worked out. BTEC provides a list of suggested software, and the costing are bad. > That's why I developed the INGOTs, to enable people > to learn before making the transition. The "late" majority won't move > until others do. Most of the change stuff says you have to get the early > adopters on board before the early majority, early majority before the > late majority, late majority before the laggards. If your managers are > laggards they are risk averse and there is nothing you are likely to be > able to do to change that in the short term. The problem is not with the line managers, its with the ITS manager which I think are on par. So you got to go up another level, and the computing manager is an artist (dept of IT and Visual arts) so he needs all the help he can get. Which is why stuff like sales material is good for him, a quick intro into the "buzz" etc... > Sorry if it's not > encouraging but it is probably reality. Put energy into battles you can > win. > So the real question is where to draw the line? Will we only fight the battles that have already been won? Its not this bad but close - The college can only afford either the Teaching staff or the software, not both. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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